Proving the Diophantine Equation x^3 + y^3 = 3z^3 Has No Integer Solutions

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The discussion centers on the Diophantine equation x^3 + y^3 = 3z^3 and the challenge of proving that it has no integer solutions. Participants explore various approaches, mathematical reasoning, and specific cases, particularly focusing on scenarios where z has a factor of 3.

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  • One participant expresses difficulty in proving the equation when z has a factor of 3, suggesting that the presence of 3 in the equation should simplify the problem.
  • Another participant discusses the implications of modulo arithmetic, indicating that 3 divides (x+y) and subsequently leads to conditions on x and y.
  • A participant proposes a method of rewriting the equation in terms of factors and discusses the distribution of factors of 3 among these terms, noting that only one case remains possible.
  • Another participant presents a detailed approach involving factorization and contradictions arising from various cases, although this method is challenged by another participant who questions the validity of setting composite factors equal.
  • Some participants suggest substitutions to simplify calculations, while others reference external sources for potential proofs related to the equation.
  • Historical context is provided, mentioning Lagrange's work on the equation and the broader implications of similar forms of Diophantine equations.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the validity of certain approaches or the existence of solutions. Multiple competing views and methods are presented, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the overall proof of the equation.

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Participants express uncertainty about specific cases, particularly when z is divisible by 3, and the implications of this on the overall proof. There are also references to historical proofs and literature that may not be fully explored within the thread.

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I think I posted this in the wrong forum before. Let's try again.

I need to prove that the equation

[itex]x^3 + y^3 = 3z^3[/itex]

has no integer solutions. I can do it easily for all cases except where z has a factor of 3, in which case I don't know what to do.

I am assuming the 3 in front of the z term is supposed to make this easier somehow than the same equation without it, but I'm failing to see the simplification that this allows.

Anyone know?
 
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Well, one thing is sure 3 divides (X+Y), and it follows that 3 divides X^2-XY+Y^2, by modulo arithmetic, but only once. Proof:

Y==-X Mod 9 implies X^2-X(-X)+(-X)^2==3X^2 Mod 9. But 3 divides X implies 3 divides Y and Z. So we can remove such a factor.

So that we have X+Y =(3a)^3, X^2-XY+Y^2=3b^3. Z=3ab.

Well, maybe that helps...
 
The only problem is if z has a factor of 3. We can then write:

[itex]x^3 + y^3 = 3^4z'^3[/itex]

If we then set:

[itex]p=(x+y)[/itex]
[itex]q=(x^2-xy+y^2)[/itex]

Then we have 4 factors of 3 to divide up between p and q. It is easy to show that all options are impossible except one. 27 divides p and 3 divides q.

All cases except this one are easy. This is what I am looking for some insight on (or a completely different approach that bypasses the need to divide it up like this).
 
gonzo said:
The only problem is if z has a factor of 3. We can then write:

[itex]x^3 + y^3 = 3^4z'^3[/itex]

If we then set:

[itex]p=(x+y)[/itex]
[itex]q=(x^2-xy+y^2)[/itex]

Then we have 4 factors of 3 to divide up between p and q. It is easy to show that all options are impossible except one. 27 divides p and 3 divides q.

All cases except this one are easy. This is what I am looking for some insight on (or a completely different approach that bypasses the need to divide it up like this).
Here I am providing a very simple solution(only for natural numbers). If you find any mistake, tell me.
The solution goes like this:
3z^3 = x^3 +y^3 =(x+y)(x^2 – xy + y^2)
Now two things to note here:
(1)z>3(you can check it yourself)
(2)The first factor on the right hand side of the equation(x+y) is less than the second(x^2 – xy + y^2)(I can prove it to you if you want)

Now I will factorize 3z^3 into two factors with smaller first:
(1) 1,3z^3
(2) 3,z^3
(3) 3z,z^2
(4) z,3z^2
(Are there any more factors?)
You can easily see first and second case are not applicable
(3) x+y=3z
(x^2 – xy + y^2)=z^2
Eliminating z we get
{(x+y)/3}^2 = (x^2 – xy + y^2)
(x^2 + 2xy + y^2) = 9(x^2 – xy + y^2)
8(x^2 – 2xy + y^2) = -5xy, .. … a contradiction

(4) x+y=z
(x^2 – xy + y^2)=3z^2 =3 (x+y)^2 =3(x^2 + 2xy + y^2)
2(x^2 – 2xy + y^2)= -9xy,…..a contradiction

all cases exhausted
 
You can't set composite factors equal like that.
 
you can substitute
x+y=3a
x-y=b
it will simplify your calculations
try it please
 
check out the chapter (if you have not yet done it) on "some diophantine equations" in Hardy's "An Introduction to the Theory of Numbers". there is a proof of exactly what you need, gonzo.
 
Thanks, but I don't have that book and I doubt it's in my library. I found a solution anyway using infinite descent.
 
Ribenboim points out that Lagrange was the first to show no solutions to [tex]X^3+Y^3=3Z^3[/tex], and that much work has been done on the equation: [tex]X^3+Y^3=aZ^3[/tex], though he did not give details.

IA Barnett, Elements of Number Theory points out that no solution for [tex]X^P+Y^P=PZ^P[/tex] exists, P>2, unless P divides Z. (This is relatively easy to show) HOWEVER, nothing is said about the case where P DOES DIVIDE Z, and I am left wondering if this matter is largely unknown.
 
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