Proving the Infimum and Supremum: A Short Guide for Scientists

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The discussion focuses on proving the supremum and infimum of a set A using epsilon neighborhoods. The user initially attempts to show that for a candidate supremum b, values b - ε are in A while b + ε are not, thus establishing b as the least upper bound. However, confusion arises regarding the claims about membership in A, indicating a misunderstanding of the definitions of supremum and infimum. Clarification is sought on the correct application of these definitions in the proof. The conversation emphasizes the importance of precise definitions in mathematical proofs.
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proof that b is the supremum of supA
proof that b is the Infimum of infA
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Hi,

I have problems with the proof for task a

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I started with the supremum first, but the proof for the infimum would go the same way. I used an epsilon neighborhood for the proof

I then argued as follows that for ##b- \epsilon## the following holds ##b- \epsilon < b## and ##b- \epsilon \in A## for ##b+ \epsilon## then ##b+ \epsilon > b## and thereby ##b+ \epsilon \notin A## holds.

By the fact that I can make the epsilon arbitrarily small and thereby the above properties still hold, b must be the smallest upper bound of A.

Would this be sufficient as a proof?
 
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Lambda96 said:
I then argued as follows that for ##b- \epsilon## the following holds ##b- \epsilon < b## and ##b- \epsilon \in A## for ##b+ \epsilon## then ##b+ \epsilon > b## and thereby ##b+ \epsilon \notin A## holds.
Break this up into several sentences that are more clear and carefully stated. You say that ##b - \epsilon## is in ##A## and not in ##A##. That can not be true.
 
It seems you must have been given a definition of the sup, inf , in order to do the proof.
 
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Thanks for your help FactChecker and WWGD, in the script from my professor it says the following.

##\textbf{supremum}##
An element ##c \in F## is called least upper bound or supremum of A, denoted by ##\text{sup}##A, if the following properties are satisfied.

i) ##a \le c## for all ##a \in A##.
ii) If b is an upper bound of A, then ##c \le b## follows.##\textbf{infimum}##
An element ##c \in F## is called greatest lower bound or infimum of A, denoted by ##\text{inf}##A, if the following properties are satisfied:

i)##a \ge c## for all ##a \in A##.
ii)If b is a lower bound of A, then ##c \ge b## follows.
 

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