Proving the Infimum and Supremum: A Short Guide for Scientists

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The discussion revolves around proving the concepts of supremum and infimum in the context of set theory. The original poster is attempting to establish a proof for a task related to these definitions, using epsilon neighborhoods to argue their points.

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  • The original poster describes their approach to proving the supremum and infimum, mentioning the use of epsilon neighborhoods. Some participants question the clarity and correctness of the arguments presented, particularly regarding the membership of certain elements in the set A.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on the original poster's reasoning. There is an emphasis on clarifying definitions and ensuring the logical consistency of the arguments. No consensus has been reached yet, as the original proof remains under scrutiny.

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Participants note the importance of having a clear definition of supremum and infimum to support the proof. The original poster references a script from their professor that outlines these definitions, which may guide the discussion further.

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proof that b is the supremum of supA
proof that b is the Infimum of infA
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Hi,

I have problems with the proof for task a

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I started with the supremum first, but the proof for the infimum would go the same way. I used an epsilon neighborhood for the proof

I then argued as follows that for ##b- \epsilon## the following holds ##b- \epsilon < b## and ##b- \epsilon \in A## for ##b+ \epsilon## then ##b+ \epsilon > b## and thereby ##b+ \epsilon \notin A## holds.

By the fact that I can make the epsilon arbitrarily small and thereby the above properties still hold, b must be the smallest upper bound of A.

Would this be sufficient as a proof?
 
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Lambda96 said:
I then argued as follows that for ##b- \epsilon## the following holds ##b- \epsilon < b## and ##b- \epsilon \in A## for ##b+ \epsilon## then ##b+ \epsilon > b## and thereby ##b+ \epsilon \notin A## holds.
Break this up into several sentences that are more clear and carefully stated. You say that ##b - \epsilon## is in ##A## and not in ##A##. That can not be true.
 
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It seems you must have been given a definition of the sup, inf , in order to do the proof.
 
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Thanks for your help FactChecker and WWGD, in the script from my professor it says the following.

##\textbf{supremum}##
An element ##c \in F## is called least upper bound or supremum of A, denoted by ##\text{sup}##A, if the following properties are satisfied.

i) ##a \le c## for all ##a \in A##.
ii) If b is an upper bound of A, then ##c \le b## follows.##\textbf{infimum}##
An element ##c \in F## is called greatest lower bound or infimum of A, denoted by ##\text{inf}##A, if the following properties are satisfied:

i)##a \ge c## for all ##a \in A##.
ii)If b is a lower bound of A, then ##c \ge b## follows.
 
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