Proving the Limit of Cosine Squared: $\mathbb{Q}$ vs. Non-$\mathbb{Q}$

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The discussion revolves around the limit of the expression involving cosine squared as it relates to rational and irrational numbers. Participants explore the behavior of the limit as both \( n \) and \( k \) approach infinity, examining the implications for \( x \) being in the set of rational numbers \( \mathbb{Q} \) versus not being in \( \mathbb{Q} \). The focus includes attempts to prove the limit and clarifications on the mathematical formulation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the limit as \( \lim_{n\to\infty} \left (\lim_{k\to\infty} \cos (\left| n! \pi x\right|) ^{2k} \right) = \begin{cases} 1&x \in \mathbb{Q} \\0& x \not\in \mathbb{Q}\end{cases} \) and seeks a proof.
  • Another participant suggests a potential typo in the formulation, questioning the expression \( 1x \) and proposing an alternative interpretation.
  • A different participant introduces the Dirichlet function and discusses its implications, noting that if \( x \in \mathbb{Q} \), the cosine term evaluates to \( \pm 1 \) under certain conditions.
  • Some participants emphasize the placement of the term \( 2k \) in the limit expression, asserting its importance in the formulation.
  • Concerns are raised about the behavior of the cosine term when \( x \) is irrational, suggesting that it may not converge as \( n \) and \( k \) increase.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the formulation of the limit and its implications for rational versus irrational values of \( x \). There is no consensus on the correct interpretation or proof of the limit, and multiple competing perspectives remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential typos and ambiguities in the mathematical expressions, as well as uncertainties regarding the logical structure of the Dirichlet function's definition. The discussion reflects a range of assumptions and interpretations that have not been fully clarified.

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\lim_{n\to\infty} \left (\lim_{k\to\infty} \cos (\left| n! \pi x\right|) ^{2k} \right) = \begin{cases} 1&x \in \mathbb{Q} \\0& x \not\in \mathbb{Q}\end{cases}. How to prove it?
 
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Lisa91 said:
\lim_{n\to\infty} \left (\lim_{k\to\infty} \cos (\left| n! \pi x\right|) ^{2k} \right) = \left\{\begin{array}{l} 1 x \in \mathbb{Q}\\1 x \not\in \mathbb{Q}\end{array}\right.. How to prove it?

Hi Lisa91, :)

I think there is a typo in the right hand side of the equation. What do you mean by \(1x\)? Is it,

\lim_{n\to\infty} \left (\lim_{k\to\infty} \cos (\left| n! \pi x\right|) ^{2k} \right) = \left\{\begin{array}{l} x \in \mathbb{Q}\\1 \not\in \mathbb{Q}\end{array}\right.

Kind Regards,
Sudharaka.
 
Lisa91 said:
\lim_{n\to\infty} \left (\lim_{k\to\infty} \cos (\left| n! \pi x\right|) ^{2k} \right) = \left\{\begin{array}{l} 1 \in \mathbb{Q}\\ 0 \not\in \mathbb{Q}\end{array}\right.. How to prove it?

With great probability Lisa intends the Diriclet function defined as in...

Dirichlet Function -- from Wolfram MathWorld

$\displaystyle D(x)= \lim_{m \rightarrow \infty} \lim_{n \rightarrow \infty} \cos^ {2 n} (m!\ \pi\ x) = \left\{\begin{array}{l} 1 \in \mathbb{Q}\\ 0 \not\in \mathbb{Q}\end{array}\right.$ (1)

The 'proof' is relatively easy because if $x \in \mathbb{Q}$ then $x=\frac{p}{q}$ with p and q integer coprimes. Now if $m \rightarrow \infty$ for a certain $m>m_{0}$ q divides m! and it will be $\cos (m!\ \pi\ x) = \pm 1$. Anyway I personally have more than one doubt on the 'logical architecture' of the definition of the Diriclet Function...

Kind regards

$\chi$ $\sigma$
 
\lim_{n\to\infty} \left (\lim_{k\to\infty} \cos (\left| n! \pi x\right|) ^{2k} \right) = \begin{cases} 1&x \in \mathbb{Q} \\0& x \not\in \mathbb{Q}\end{cases}

No, this '2k' has to be in the place I wrote.
 
Lisa91 said:
\lim_{n\to\infty} \left (\lim_{k\to\infty} \cos (\left| n! \pi x\right|) ^{2k} \right) = \begin{cases} 1&x \in \mathbb{Q} \\0& x \not\in \mathbb{Q}\end{cases}

No, this '2k' has to be in the place I wrote.

Also in this case if x is rational for any $n>n_{0}$ the term $n!\ x$ is an even integer so that for any k is $\cos \{(n!\ \pi\ x)^{2k}\}=1$. The problem however is when x is irrational because in this case [probably...] $\cos \{(n!\ \pi\ x)^{2k}\}$ has no limits in n and k... Kind regards $\chi$ $\sigma$
 

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