Proving the Modulus of sin(z) is Greater or Equal to sin(x)

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The discussion revolves around proving the inequality involving the modulus of the sine function for complex numbers, specifically showing that the modulus of sin(z) is greater than or equal to the modulus of sin(x), where z is defined as x + iY. Participants are also exploring related concepts in complex analysis.

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  • Participants discuss the properties of the modulus of complex numbers and attempt to express sin(z) in terms of its components. There are questions about the validity of certain steps in the derivation and the implications of the modulus squared.

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Some participants have provided guidance on how to approach the problem, particularly regarding the use of the complex conjugate and the properties of hyperbolic functions. There is an ongoing exploration of the relationship between the variables involved, with no explicit consensus reached on the final outcome.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of the problem while adhering to forum rules about not providing direct solutions. There is a noted concern about the role of the variable y in the inequality being discussed.

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hi to all
can i obtain the answer of this problem :
show that :

modulus of (sin z ) > = modulus of (sin X )

where z = x + i Y
 
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What do you know about the modulus of complex numbers?

Note that on these forums we do not do proplems for you, we help, YOU do them.
 
also i am asking about this problem :

what part of z - plane corresponds to the interior of the unit circle in the w-plane if
a) -w = (z-1)/(z+1)
b) -w = (z - i)/(z + i)
 
Integral said:
What do you know about the modulus of complex numbers?

Note that on these forums we do not do proplems for you, we help, YOU do them.

i can say that
(modulus fo sin z )^2 = sin z * (sin z )*
 
One proplem per thread please. Now what has your first post got to do with sin(z)?
 
Integral said:
One proplem per thread please. Now what has your first post got to do with sin(z)?

really i am sorry ..

sin z = ( exp i(x+iy) - exp -i(x+iy))/2i
( sin z )* = exp ( -i(x-iy) - exp ( i(x-iy)/(-2i)

(mod. (sin z) )^2 = ( exp i(x+iy) - exp -i(x+iy))/2i * exp ( -i(x-iy) - exp ( i(x-iy)/(-2i)

is this step good ?
 
Your original post is asking about the modulus of a complex number; no question here involves sin(z). Unless you specify what you're trying to answer we can't help
 
Office_Shredder said:
Your original post is asking about the modulus of a complex number; no question here involves sin(z). Unless you specify what you're trying to answer we can't help

agin i am sorry ... i mean sin z
and sin x

thank u
 
no one will try with me !

ok
i say : sin z = sin ( x + iy ) = sin x cos iy + cos x sin iy
= sin x cosh y - i cos x sinh y

modulus (sin z) > = modulus ( sin x cosh y) - modulus ( i cos x sinh y)

is this trueeeeeeeeee
 
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shnaiwer said:
no one will try with me !

ok
i say : sin z = sin ( x + iy ) = sin x cos iy + cos x sin iy
= sin x cosh y - i cos x sinh y

That much is true. The rest isn't. Find the square of the modulus of sin(z) by multiplying sin(z) by it's complex conjugate.
 
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Dick said:
That much is true. The rest isn't. Find the square of the modulus of sin(z) by multiplying sin(z) by it's complex conjugate.

thanx ... a lot
i tried and wrote the following ..

Sin ( z ) = sin ( x + iy )
= sin x cos iy + sin iy cos x
= sin x cosh y + i sinh y cos x

Now
│sin z │2 = ( sin x ) 2 ( cosh y ) 2 + ( sinh y)2 (cos x )2
= ( sin x ) 2 ( cosh y ) 2 + ( sinh y)2 (1 – ( sin x ) 2)
= ( sin x ) 2 ( cosh y ) 2 + ( sinh y)2 - ( sinh y)2 ( sin x ) 2
= ( sin x ) 2 (( cosh y ) 2 - ( sinh y)2 ) + ( sinh y)2
so , we have

│sin z │2 = ( sin x ) 2 + ( sinh y)2

but the problem of y variable still hold !

can i say that :
( sin x ) 2 + ( sinh y)2 >= ( sin x ) 2 ?
 
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shnaiwer said:
thanx ... a lot
i tried and wrote the following ..

Sin ( z ) = sin ( x + iy )
= sin x cos iy + sin iy cos x
= sin x cosh y + i sinh y cos x

Now
│sin z │2 = ( sin x ) 2 ( cosh y ) 2 + ( sinh y)2 (cos x )2
= ( sin x ) 2 ( cosh y ) 2 + ( sinh y)2 (1 – ( sin x ) 2)
= ( sin x ) 2 ( cosh y ) 2 + ( sinh y)2 - ( sinh y)2 ( sin x ) 2
= ( sin x ) 2 (( cosh y ) 2 - ( sinh y)2 ) + ( sinh y)2
so , we have

│sin z │2 = ( sin x ) 2 + ( sinh y)2

but the problem of y variable still hold !

can i say that :
( sin x ) 2 + ( sinh y)2 >= ( sin x ) 2 ?


Sure you can. sinh(y)^2>=0. Just because it's the square of something.
 
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Dick said:
Sure you can. sinh(y)^2>=0. Just because it's the square of something.

so , then i can say that

│sin z │2 >= ( sin x ) 2

taking square root to both sides gives

│sin z │>= │sin x│

did it finish ?
 
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shnaiwer said:
so , then i can say that

│sin z │2 >= ( sin x ) 2

taking square root to both sides gives

│sin z │>= │sin x│

did it finish ?

That's fine. But you don't sound very sure of yourself?
 
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Dick said:
That's fine. But you don't sound very sure of yourself?
may be ... thank you very much ...
 

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