Proving the Power of a Cycle in Disjoint m-Cycles: A Comprehensive Guide

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The discussion revolves around proving that a product of disjoint m-cycles can be expressed as a power of a cycle. Participants explore the implications of this assertion and seek strategies for the proof, focusing on theoretical aspects of permutations and cycle notation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks if proving that π is a power of a cycle means showing π = β^x for some cycle β and positive integer x.
  • Another participant suggests that any idea could be progress when feeling stuck, indicating a need for brainstorming approaches.
  • A participant expresses uncertainty about how to proceed, mentioning the order of π and considering cases when m is even or odd.
  • One participant notes the possibility of breaking down π into a product of transpositions but finds the result too abstract to comprehend fully.
  • Another participant provides a formula involving a permutation σ and suggests examining powers of a cycle to understand disjoint cycle decompositions.
  • A later reply introduces a specific construction of a permutation θ and claims that applying θ n times will yield the original product of cycles, suggesting that ∏ = θ^n.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various approaches and uncertainties, indicating that multiple competing views remain on how to prove the statement. The discussion does not reach a consensus on a specific method or solution.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention different strategies and considerations, such as the order of π and the nature of m (even or odd), but do not resolve the implications of these factors. There are also references to abstract results that remain unclear.

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let π be a product of disjoint m-cycles. Prove that π is a power of a cycle?

So this is like asking show that π = βx for some cycle β and pos. integer x. right?

I don't know how to proceed on this except for the fact that the order of π is m.

any hints please
 
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what have you tried? remember, when you have no clue what will work, any idea at all is progress.
 
mathwonk said:
what have you tried? remember, when you have no clue what will work, any idea at all is progress.

man I have no idea.

I know I can write π = (...)(...)(...)(...)(...)(...)(...)(...)(...)(...)

probably need to consider when m is even and odd.

I can break down π to a product of transpositions.

But the end result is too abstract I can get my head around it.
 
First, note that

\sigma (i_1~i_2~i_3~...~i_n) \sigma^{-1}=(\sigma(i_1)~\sigma(i_2)~\sigma(i_3)~...~\sigma(i_n))

This allows you to bring everything back to the cycle (1 2 3 ... n).

Now, take powers of (1 2 3 ... n) and see what types of disjoint cycle decompostions you meet.
 
let ∏= ∏αi for all 1≤i≤n with αi = (ai1 ai2 ai3 ...aim)

consider θ = (a11 a21...an1 a12 a22...a1m a2m a3m...anm)

then applying θ n times will give us the original ∏.

Hence ∏ = θn
 

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