Prime-length cycles and their powers

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The discussion revolves around proving that every power of a cyclic permutation of prime length is itself a cycle. The original poster presents their understanding of the problem and attempts to clarify their reasoning regarding the implications of prime length on the nature of the powers of the cycle.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the implications of a prime-length cycle and question the nature of its powers, considering whether they can be expressed as products of disjoint cycles. There are attempts to clarify definitions of order and length in relation to permutations.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants raising questions about definitions and exploring various approaches to the proof. Some participants suggest using specific examples and induction, while others express uncertainty about the implications of introducing new definitions related to order.

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There is mention of constraints related to the definitions of order and length as presented in the original poster's textbook, which may limit the approaches available for the proof. The distinction between these terms is under scrutiny, particularly in the context of disjoint cycles.

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Homework Statement



Suppose we have cyclic, prime-length \alpha = (a_{1}a_{2}...a_{s}). Prove that every power of \alpha is a cycle.

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None I can think of.

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I feel that I understand some of the intuition behind this problem. If any power of a cycle is not itself a cycle then it must either be the identity or the product of disjoint cycles. The only possibility here, then, would be a product of disjoint cycles. However, this seems to require that the original cycle not have a prime length, since one of the disjoint cycles must have an interval equivalent to a factor of the length of the original cycle.

That was pretty garbled, so I'll use an example. Let \beta = (b_{1}b_{2}...b_{9}). Here \beta^3 is a product of disjoint cycles (b_{1}b_{4}b_{7})(b_{2}b_{5}b_{8})(b_{3}b_{6}b_{9}), but note that this required an interval of 3, a factor of 9, in order for one disjoint cycle to "hit" the last element. Therefore any power of a prime-length cycle should be a cycle, since it can't be a product of disjoint cycles.

But I'm kind of lost as to how to make this rigorous.
 
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64 reviews and no responses. Is my statement of the problem confusing? Perhaps my use of the term "cyclic" is wrong? I used it as a shorter way of saying "is a cycle".

To elaborate on the difficulty I'm facing with making my proof rigorous: I'm unsure as to how to treat a general prime case. For example, if I assume that \alpha^k is a power that isn't cyclic, then I might show that it cannot be a product of disjoint functions. However, I don't see how to write those disjoint functions and derive a contradiction due to uncertainty of what k is.
 
So let's say that \alpha is a prime cycle. Let's say that \alpha^k is the product of disjoint cycles? Then what is the order of \alpha^k??
 
micromass said:
So let's say that \alpha is a prime cycle. Let's say that \alpha^k is the product of disjoint cycles? Then what is the order of \alpha^k??

Thanks for the response. My book doesn't include any definition for the order of a permutation that is the product of disjoint cycles. Length is just defined as the number of elements in a permutation. Looking around online, the order seems to be the least common multiple of the lengths of the disjoint cycles, which would make a prime order impossible. But this raises uncomfortable questions about the distinction between "length" and "order"?
 
zooxanthellae said:
Thanks for the response. My book doesn't include any definition for the order of a permutation that is the product of disjoint cycles. Length is just defined as the number of elements in a permutation. Looking around online, the order seems to be the least common multiple of the lengths of the disjoint cycles, which would make a prime order impossible. But this raises uncomfortable questions about the distinction between "length" and "order"?

The order is defined as the least number k such that \alpha^k=1. Surely you must have seen this?
And indeed, the order is the least common multiple of the lengths of a disjoint cycles.

But what uncomfortable questions are there?
 
micromass said:
The order is defined as the least number k such that \alpha^k=1. Surely you must have seen this?
And indeed, the order is the least common multiple of the lengths of a disjoint cycles.

But what uncomfortable questions are there?

I'm in Chapter 8 of Pinter's "Abstract Algebra". Order has been defined as the number of elements in a group, length has been defined as the number of elements in a cycle. But beyond that, I'm fairly sure there's nothing else so far. So bringing in these new definitions seems like "cheating".
 
zooxanthellae said:
I'm in Chapter 8 of Pinter's "Abstract Algebra". Order has been defined as the number of elements in a group, length has been defined as the number of elements in a cycle. But beyond that, I'm fairly sure there's nothing else so far. So bringing in these new definitions seems like "cheating".

OK, I see, order of elements is introduced in chapter 10.

The only method I see that does not introduce order of elements is by brute force. That is, given a cycle of length p

\alpha=(\alpha_1~\alpha_2~...~\alpha_p)

Compute directly now the powers of \alpha. That is, try to find a formula and prove it by induction.

So, try to form the first few powers, for example

\alpha^2=(\alpha_1~\alpha_3~...~\alpha_{p-1}~\alpha_2~...~\alpha_p)

and see if you come up with something nice. (hint: thinking of the integers modulo p will be interesting here).
 
My attempt at this is long, case-based and messy so I won't post it here, but I believe the crux of it is to use the fact that p is prime to go from a single (i.e. not disjoint and therefore a cycle) expression for case n to a likewise non-disjoint expression for case n+1 and therefore show that every power is a cycle?
 
zooxanthellae said:
My attempt at this is long, case-based and messy so I won't post it here, but I believe the crux of it is to use the fact that p is prime to go from a single (i.e. not disjoint and therefore a cycle) expression for case n to a likewise non-disjoint expression for case n+1 and therefore show that every power is a cycle?

Are you sure you didn't make it harder than it needed to be. The formula I was looking for is

\alpha^k=(\alpha_k~\alpha_{2k}~\alpha_{3k}~... ~\alpha_{pk})

where the coefficient k, 2k, 3k, etc. are evaluated (mod p).
I don't think this formula is hard to show by induction?

The crux is that the cycle \alpha^k is indeed of length p, and this uses the primality of p.
 

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