Proving Trig Derivatives: Bessel Functions Explained

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The discussion revolves around the methods for proving the derivatives of trigonometric functions, specifically focusing on the derivative of sine and its relation to cosine. Participants explore various approaches, including geometric interpretations, definitions, and series expansions, while also referencing Bessel functions in the context of their mathematics class.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest using the exponential form of sine to differentiate and arrive at cosine, though they express uncertainty about whether this constitutes a proof.
  • Others propose using the limit definition of the derivative, specifically the expression lim{(f(x+h)-f(x))/h}, and relate it to the sine difference identity.
  • One participant mentions that the definition of cosine as the derivative of sine simplifies the proof process.
  • Another participant discusses defining sine and cosine through infinite series and differentiating term by term, while noting the need to establish convergence properties.
  • A geometric approach is suggested, involving the construction of triangles within a circle to illustrate the relationship between sine and cosine.
  • Participants highlight that the proof methods depend on the definitions used for sine and cosine, with some advocating for definitions based on initial value problems or circular functions.
  • One participant provides a detailed explanation of a geometric proof involving areas of triangles and circular sectors to establish the limit of sin(x)/x as x approaches zero.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views on how to prove the derivatives of sine and cosine, with no consensus on a single method being preferred or universally accepted. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the most appropriate proof technique.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the choice of proof method is influenced by the definitions of sine and cosine being used, which introduces variability in the approaches discussed. There are also references to the limitations of certain methods, such as the need for prior knowledge of derivatives for Taylor series expansions.

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So its pretty much common knowledge that:

\frac{d}{dx}\sin (x) = \cos (x)

But how does one go about to actually prove it?

This came up in my Math Methods class while we were talking about Bessel Functions.
 
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Hia,

The way I would do it would be to write sin(x) in terms of exponentials, then differentiate that. You should end up with cos(x) in exponential form, but I am not sure if that can be considered a proof.
 
castusalbuscor said:
So its pretty much common knowledge that:

\frac{d}{dx}\sin (x) = \cos (x)

But how does one go about to actually prove it?

Hi castusalbuscor! :smile:

Either use the lim{(f(x+h)-f(x))/h} definition, and sinA - sinB = 2.sin(A-B)/2.cos(A+B)/2,

or use 2isinx = eix - e-ix :smile:
 
peterjaybee said:
Hia,

The way I would do it would be to write sin(x) in terms of exponentials, then differentiate that. You should end up with cos(x) in exponential form, but I am not sure if that can be considered a proof.

This was actually brought up in class the the professor shot it down, he also shot down expanding it in a Taylor series (since we need to know the derivative for it to work).

tiny-tim said:
Hi castusalbuscor! :smile:

Either use the lim{(f(x+h)-f(x))/h} definition, and sinA - sinB = 2.sin(A-B)/2.cos(A+B)/2,

or use 2isinx = eix - e-ix :smile:

The limit definition might be more appropriate. ^_^ Thanks!

I wonder is there a geometric way to prove it?
 
castusalbuscor said:
I wonder is there a geometric way to prove it?

Yup … just draw two very close triangles inside a circle, and the tiny triangle at the tip will have hypotenuse r∆θ and height r∆(sinθ), so you get the equation r∆(sinθ) = r∆θcosθ. :smile:
 
Ones proof would depend upon ones definition. What definition are you using?
If your definition of cos is
cos(x):=sin'(x)
It is an easy proof.
 
I had typed up a long response and it has disappeared! Must have hit the wrong key.

As lurflurf said, how you prove the derivatives of sin(x) and cos(x) depends upon how you define them!

It is perfectly valid to define sin(x) to be
\sum_{n=0}^\infty \frac{(-1)^n}{(2n+1)!}x^{2n+1}
and cos(x) to be
\sum_{n=0}^\infty \frac{(-1)^n}{(2n)!}x^{2n}
Once you have done that and proven technical details like that fact that these converge absolutely for all x, you can differentiate term by term.
Of course, your teacher might ask to prove that these "sine" and "cosine" functions have the various properties of the trig functions- for example being periodic of period 2\pi

My personal favorite is to define y= sin(x) as "the function satisfying the initial value problem y"= -y with y(0)= 0, y'(0)= 1" and y= cos(x) as "the function satisfying the initial value problem y"= -y with y(0)= 1, y'(0)= 0". It is not too difficult to show that those do, in fact, has all the properties of the "usual" sine and cosine, including periodicity. In fact, if I were asked to prove that sine and cosine, as defined by the infinite sums above, were periodic, I would first use term by term by term differentiation to show that they satisfy the above differential equations and then use that.

The proof Desh627 links to defines sine and cosine in terms of "circular functions": given non-negative t, measure counterclockwise around the unit circle from (1, 0) a distance t. Cos(t) and sin(t) are defined as the y and x coordinates of the endpoint, respectively. If t is negative, measure clockwise instead of counterclockwise. That proof uses the fact that
\lim_{x\rightarrow 0}\frac{sin(x)}{x}= 1

The proof of that (given in most Calculus texts) is:

Assume t is some small, positive value and draw the line from (0,0) to (cos(t), sin(t)) on the unit circle. Drop a perpendicular from (cos(t), sin(t)) to x-axis. We have a right triangle with legs of length cos(t) and sin(t) and so area (1/2)sin(t)cos(t). Draw a vertical line from (1, 0) to the extended radius through (cos(t), sin(t)). That forms a right triangle with one leg of length 1 and similar to the smaller right triangle: cos(t)/1= sin(t)/h where h is the vertical height, so h= sin(t)/cos(t) and the area of this larger triangle is (1/2)sin(t)/cos(t). Finally, the area of the circular sector between them is (1/2)t. Looking at those 3 areas, (1/2)sin(t)cos(t)\le (1/2)t \le (1/2) sin(t)/cos(t). Multiplying through by the positive number 2/sin(t) we have cos(t)\le t/sin(t)\le 1/cos(t)[/itexs]. Inverting each part, which also reverses the inequalities, 1/cos(t)\ge sin(t)/t\ge cos(t). By the &quot;sandwiching theorem&quot; we have <br /> 1\le \lim_{t\rightarrow 0%+} \frac{sin(x)}{x}\le 1<br /> <br /> Of course, we can argue by symmetry that the same thing is true for t approaching 0 from below.
 

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