Proving uniqueness of inverse by identity (Groups)

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The discussion centers on proving the uniqueness of the identity element and finding inverses in the context of group theory, specifically with the operation defined as (a,b)*(c,d)=(ac-bd,ad+bc) on the set ℝxℝ excluding the origin. Participants emphasize the necessity of identifying the identity element (e1, e2) by solving the equation (a,b)*(e1, e2)=(a,b). The conversation highlights that one cannot assign an inverse to an element until the identity is established, and provides a method for finding inverses by setting (a,b)*(c,d) equal to the identity.

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  • Understanding of group theory concepts, including identity and inverse elements.
  • Familiarity with the operation defined for pairs of real numbers in ℝxℝ.
  • Knowledge of solving equations involving ordered pairs.
  • Basic comprehension of associativity and commutativity in algebraic structures.
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  • Study the properties of identity elements in group theory.
  • Learn how to derive inverses in algebraic structures, particularly in groups.
  • Explore the implications of associativity and commutativity in group operations.
  • Investigate the structure of ℝxℝ and the implications of excluding the origin in group operations.
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1. Which of the following is a group?
To find the identity element, which in these problems is an ordered pair (e1, e2) of real numbers, solve the equation (a,b)*(e1, e2)=(a,b) for e1 and e2.




2. (a,b)*(c,d)=(ac-bd,ad+bc), on the set ℝxℝ with the origin deleted.



3. The question also asks for you to find the inverse and I think implicitly for associativity and then for commutativity. I've got the other three down, but the identity axiom is giving me trouble.

(a,b)*(a,b)-1=(aa-1-bb-1,ab-1+ba-1)
Unless I'm really screwing up here, I think this implies that e1-e2 is the first value, which would be equivalent to e1. However, I don't know how to resolve the ab-1+ba-1) part.


I think I've been dropped from this class for a lack of prerequisites, but I think I'm still going to try and finish the class nonetheless.
 
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YABSSOR said:
1. Which of the following is a group?
To find the identity element, which in these problems is an ordered pair (e1, e2) of real numbers, solve the equation (a,b)*(e1, e2)=(a,b) for e1 and e2.




2. (a,b)*(c,d)=(ac-bd,ad+bc), on the set ℝxℝ with the origin deleted.

That certainly is a complex multiplication rule.

3. The question also asks for you to find the inverse and I think implicitly for associativity and then for commutativity. I've got the other three down, but the identity axiom is giving me trouble.

(a,b)*(a,b)-1=(aa-1-bb-1,ab-1+ba-1)

That won't work; it's not the case here that [itex](a,b)^{-1} = (a^{-1},b^{-1})[/itex] (what inverses did you assign to [itex](1,0)[/itex] and [itex](0, 1)[/itex], both of which are members of this alleged group?).

It is a consequence of the definitions that you cannot assign an inverse to an element until you have found the identity.

As suggested, you need to set [itex](a,b)*(e_1,e_2) = (ae_1 - be_2, ae_2 + be_1) = (a,b)[/itex] and solve for [itex]e_1[/itex] and [itex]e_2[/itex].

Then, to find [itex](a,b)^{-1} = (c,d)[/itex], set [itex](a,b)*(c,d) = (e_1,e_2)[/itex] and solve for [itex]c[/itex] and [itex]d[/itex].
 
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