Proving vector identities with index notation (help with the del operator)

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The discussion revolves around proving a vector identity involving the del operator and vector cross products. The vectors involved are a, u, and v, with a specified as a constant vector.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the manipulation of the left-hand side of the identity in index notation and question the properties of the del operator. There is confusion regarding the equivalence of terms involving the del operator and the implications of the product rule.

Discussion Status

Some participants are exploring the calculations and properties of the del operator, while others are providing clarifications about the importance of order in operations and the product rule. There is an acknowledgment of the complexity involved in handling indices and operators.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the vector a is a constant vector, which is crucial for the proof. There is also mention of potential misunderstandings regarding the application of the del operator in index notation.

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Homework Statement



Prove the vector identity: \left(a\times\nabla\right)\bullet\left(u \times v\right)=\left(a \bullet u \right)\left(\nabla \bullet v \right)+\left(v \bullet \nabla \right)\left(a \bullet u \right)-\left(a \bullet v \right)\left(\nabla \bullet u \right)-\left(u \bullet\nabla\right)\left(a \bullet v \right)
Where a, u, and v are vectors (and a is a "constant vector")

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Okay, so in index notation I've gotten the left-hand side as...
LHS=a_{l}u^{l}\partial_{m}v^{m}-a_{m}v^{m}\partial_{l}u^{l}

Which, since the dot product on the RHS is commutative, it seems that the RHS is just twice the LHS I've come up with in index notation. What am I missing here? Is there some weird property of the del operator in index notation that I can just double the terms?
 
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I haven't checked your calculation for the LHS, but \nabla \cdot v \neq v \cdot \nabla. So you can't just add them together,
 
Okay well then it seems I'm even more thoroughly confused than I originally thought. I still think I have the LHS correct but I'm not entirely sure about using the gradient/del in index notation. Does it matter if you move it around within the term? Such as, are the following terms equivalent:
a_{l}\partial_{m}u^{l}v^{m}=a_{l}u^{l}\partial_{m}v^{m} ? Or does the order you write the stuff in matter when the del operator is involved?

I think what has really confused me is when you have a dot product with a del operator on the outside, that somehow results in one of the vectors times the partial derivative of the other plus the other vector times the partial derivative of the other. Help?
 
Keep in mind that \partial_m is a differential operator, and so order of operations and brackets are important. For example, \partial_m\left[f(x_1,x_2,x_3)g(x_1,x_2,x_3)\right]=(\partial_m f)g+f(\partial_m g).
 
Don't let the indices get to you it is just the product rule. Also keep in mind that the exercise states that a is a constant vector. Without that fact you won't be able to prove the identity.

If you did everything correctly you get a_m\partial_n(u_mv_n)-a_n \partial_m(u_mv_n) before using the product rule on the LHS.
 

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