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The discussion revolves around the properties and proofs related to vector spaces, specifically examining whether certain sets qualify as vector spaces under defined operations. The original poster expresses confusion regarding the criteria for a set to be considered a vector space, using the example of the set V = {(1, 2)}.

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  • Participants discuss the necessary properties a set must satisfy to be a vector space, including the existence of the zero vector and closure under addition and scalar multiplication. There are attempts to analyze specific examples, such as V = {(1, 2)} and the set of vectors of the form {a, 0, b}.

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Some participants provide insights into the properties that must be satisfied for a set to be a vector space, while others question the assumptions made in the original poster's example. There is an ongoing exploration of different sets and their qualifications as vector spaces, with some guidance offered regarding the closure properties and the role of the zero vector.

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Participants note the importance of understanding the definitions and properties of vector spaces, as well as the implications of specific examples. The discussion highlights the need for clarity in distinguishing between valid vector spaces and those that do not meet the criteria.

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i'm really really confused abt vector spaces and how to prove
if something is a vector space :confused:

Could som1 please help!

Example: why is V = {(1 2)} not a vector space??
 
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The set V is a vector space if it satisfies all the properties* of vector space. If anyone of those property is not met, then V is automatically not a vector space. For your exemple V={(1,2)}, i.e. the set containing only the vector (1,2), the property 3 is not satisfied because, the only element of V is (1,2), and (1,2)+(1,2) = (2,4) [itex]\neq (1,2)[/itex]. For 3 to be satisfied, V should contain the null vector (0,0) also. *the 8 properties of a vector space: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vector_space#Formal_definition
 
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I think i get how to solve them now but for this example I'm not too sure if I'm right, could u please tell me if I'm wrong:

Question: Determine whether the subsets of R^3 given by all vectors of the following form are vector spaces Note: elem = elements of

a) {a,0,b)|a,b elem R}

Let v = (a1,0,b1) where v elem V

v+0 = v Therefore it passes on the 3rd property

Let w = (a2,0, b2)

v + w = (a1,0,b1) + (a2,0,b2) = ((a1+a2) + 0 + (b1+b2)) #

Since (a1+a2) elem R, 0 elem R and (b1+b2) elem R # is of the form
(a,0,b) where a,b elem R, the vector space is closed under addition.

If m elem R then
m x v = (a1m, 0, b1m) where (a1m,0,b1m) is of the form (a,0,b) where a,b elem R. the vector space is closed under scalar multiplication.

Therefore all vectors of the form {a,0,b)|a,b elem R} are vector spaces.
 
I was tempted to be very hard nosed and answer that a set cannot be a vector space! A vector space is a set of objects (called "vectors") together with two operations: addition of vectors and scalar multiplication. Of course, I understand that you meant "with the usual operations on R2, but you should understand the difference.
In addition to the fact that there is no 0 vector, the set containing the single vector (1, 2) is not a vector space because adding vectors (the only possible addition is (1, 2)+ (1, 2)) gives (2, 4) which is not in the set. Even more simply, scalar multiplication of vectors:
2(1, 2)= (2, 4), 3(1, 2)= (3, 6), -1.5(1, 2)= (-1.5, -3) gives vectors not in the set.
On the other hand, {(a, 2a)}, the set of multiples of (1, 2) where a can be any real number is a vector space- a one-dimensional subspace of R2.

Chadlee88 said:
a) {a,0,b)|a,b elem R}

Let v = (a1,0,b1) where v elem V

v+0 = v Therefore it passes on the 3rd property
No, that's not the "3rd property" (existence of an additive identity; the zero vector). The question is whether or not the 0 vector is of the form (a, 0, b). The answer is still "yes" because a and b can be any real numbers-including 0. (0, 0, 0)= (a, 0, b) with a=0, b=0.

Let w = (a2,0, b2)

v + w = (a1,0,b1) + (a2,0,b2) = ((a1+a2) + 0 + (b1+b2)) #
Typo here: you mean ((a1+a2, 0, (b1+ b2)), not "+".

Since (a1+a2) elem R, 0 elem R and (b1+b2) elem R # is of the form
(a,0,b) where a,b elem R, the vector space is closed under addition.

If m elem R then
m x v = (a1m, 0, b1m) where (a1m,0,b1m) is of the form (a,0,b) where a,b elem R. the vector space is closed under scalar multiplication.

Therefore all vectors of the form {a,0,b)|a,b elem R} are vector spaces.
Yes, that is correct. Strictly speaking, the operations must also satisfy such things as the associative law, commutative law, etc. but since the operations are just the standard operations on R3 we already know they are satisfied. What you have done is show that this set, with the usual operations, is a (2-dimensional) subspace of R3.
To prove a "subspace", you really only need to show that addition and scalar multiplication are closed- that the result is still in the set. It isn't necessary to show that the 0 vector is in the set separately- that follows from closure of the operations. If v is a vector in the set, then, since scalar multiplication is closed, (-1)v= -v is in the set and, since addition is closed, v+ (-v)= 0 is in the set.

Now, what if the problem had been {(a, 1, b)} where a, b are real numbers. Can you show that this is not a vector space?
 
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