Pure state versus superposition

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The discussion revolves around the concepts of pure states and superpositions in quantum mechanics, particularly in the context of Hilbert space formalism. Participants explore the relationship between superpositions and pure states, questioning whether every allowable superposition can be considered a pure state for some observable, even if that observable is complex to realize.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that every allowable superposition in quantum mechanics might be a pure state for some observable, suggesting that the state of the system could always be viewed as an observable pure state by changing bases.
  • Another participant clarifies that every normalized vector represents a pure state and that every pure state can be represented by a normalized vector, but introduces the concept of mixed states, which arise from linear combinations of states represented as density matrices.
  • A participant questions whether a state that evolves in time, such as one in a superposition of energy eigenstates, is a superposition or a mixed state, and whether mixed states can also be considered pure states for some observable.
  • One participant acknowledges the distinction between mixed states and pure states, likening mixed states to concepts in statistical mechanics.
  • A later reply asserts that if a state is pure, it can be represented as an eigenstate of a projector, which is an observable, thus supporting the idea that every pure state corresponds to some observable.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between superpositions and pure states, with some supporting the idea that every superposition can be a pure state for some observable, while others highlight the existence of mixed states as a distinct category. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these concepts.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the definitions and assumptions regarding pure and mixed states, as well as the conditions under which states are considered observables. The discussion does not resolve these complexities.

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I am a little bit versed in the formalism of Hilbert space, the state vector and the matricies and their eigenvector basis of observables in QM. I understand that a pure state in one observable basis may be (is) a superposition in another basis (spin xUP) is superposition of spinyUP, spin yDOWN eigenvectors. And that a superposition may also be a pure state if you pick the right observable. My question: is EVERY allowable superposition in quantum mechanics, every state the system could end up in, a pure state for some observable, even if this observable is very complex to realize? I'm speaking in principle rather than practice. If so, would it be correct to say that the state of the system is always in principle an observable pure state but we just have to keep changing bases? I apologize if I'm wording things awkwardly.
 
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In the formulation you're familiar with, every normalized vector represents a pure state. (Of course, if two such vector are a multiple of each other, they represent the same state)

Conversely, every pure state can be represented by a normalized vector.

Also, every vector (or nonzero vector, depending on the details of how you define things) is indeed an eigenvector for some observable.



There are other states, though. These are not formed by superimposing, but by mixing -- if you represent states as density matrices, a linear combination of states (with positive real coefficients that add to 1) usually gives a mixed state.



Maybe I learned things oddly, but I've never heard of a "pure state for an observable".
 
Clear. I'm thinking about a state that evolves in time, for example. Like if you had the square well problem but your system was in more than one energy state, so the state evolves as the mean value sloshes back and forth in time. Is that a superposition of say pure energy eigenstates or is it a mixed state? Are mixed states also pure states for some outlandish observable?
 
Wait, I think I see from some other postings. The mixed states really are a different case, more like statistical mechanics.
 
philo324 said:
Clear. I'm thinking about a state that evolves in time, for example.
Vectors in the Hilbert space (and in the domain of the Hamiltonian) evolve to vectors in the Hilbert space, right? So...
 
philo324 said:
is EVERY allowable superposition in quantum mechanics, every state the system could end up in, a pure state for some observable, even if this observable is very complex to realize?

Yes. If \psi is a pure state then it is an eigenstate of the projector P = \psi\psi^* with eigenvalue 1, and P is an observable according to the standard definition (self-adjoint). Moreover, if the Hilbert space is low-dimensional, P can be realized quite well.
 

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