Puzzling Prob Stats / Bayes problem

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The discussion revolves around a probability problem involving a fair coin and a double-headed coin. Participants analyze the probability of getting heads on a fourth flip after observing three heads in a row. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and probabilistic modeling.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the probability of getting heads on the fourth flip is 1/2, based on the assumption that it is more likely to have the double-headed coin after observing three heads.
  • Another participant calculates the probabilities of having each coin after three heads and concludes that the probability of getting a fourth head is 65/66.
  • A different participant proposes that the probability of the fourth head is 17/32, considering the outcomes for both coins but acknowledges a mistake in their reasoning regarding the initial three heads.
  • Another participant states that the chance of getting all heads with the fair coin is 1/8 and with the double-headed coin is 8/8, leading to a conclusion of 17/18 for the probability of the fourth head.
  • One participant corrects their earlier calculations, arriving at a probability of 17/18 for the fourth head after adjusting their understanding of the problem.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the correct probability for the fourth head, with calculations yielding results of 1/2, 65/66, 17/32, and 17/18. No consensus is reached, and multiple competing views remain.

Contextual Notes

Some calculations depend on the interpretation of the initial conditions, particularly the impact of the first three heads on the probabilities of the coins. There are unresolved mathematical steps and assumptions regarding the outcomes of the coin flips.

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Hello All,
I have a problem that goes like this:I have one fair coin and one double heads coin. I pick one at random and flip the same coin three times. All three times it comes up heads. What is the probability that this same coin will come up heads a fourth time?

I said that the prob on the fourth throw is 1/2. Why?

The probability for the fair coin to throw 4 heads is .5 x .5^4 = 1/32. (the first .5 because of the random choice between the two coins.)

The probability of the double heads throwing 4 heads is .5 x 1^4 = .5

Therefore, the probability of throwing a 4th heads is .5, because it is much more likely that I have the double heads coin in my hand than the fair coin.

My question is, did I make an error in figuring this? It seems too easy, but I can not find any flaws in my reasoning (because I am too close to it)

Thanks in advance.
 
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Quantumduck said:
Hello All,
I have a problem that goes like this:I have one fair coin and one double heads coin. I pick one at random and flip the same coin three times. All three times it comes up heads. What is the probability that this same coin will come up heads a fourth time?

Your universe: 1/32 + 1/2
Probability of having the double heads coin: (1/2) / ( 1/32 + 1/2 ) = 32/33
Probability of having the fair coin: (1/32) / ( 1/32 + 1/2 ) = 1/33
( of course you could get the last result by "1 - 32/33" )

Then, the probability of a 4th head is:
1.0 * 32/33 , if you have the double heads coin
0.5 * 1/33 , if you have the fair coin

So, the answer is 65/66.
 
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If the fair coin is chosen, the probability of 4th head would be (1/2)^4.

If the biased coin is chosen, the probability of 4th head would be 1.

So, the probability of 4th head could be
Prob(Fair Coin)*Prob(4th head on Fair Coin) OR Prob(Biased Coin)*Prob(4th head on Biased Coin)
= 1/2 * (1/2)^4 + 1/2 * 1
= 17/32

Is there a mistake somewhere?

I didn't follow Rogerio's reply, and the divisions are wrong in that.

EDIT--The mistake is that I haven't taken into account that the first three tosses result in head.
 
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Quantumduck said:
Hello All,
I have a problem that goes like this:I have one fair coin and one double heads coin. I pick one at random and flip the same coin three times. All three times it comes up heads. What is the probability that this same coin will come up heads a fourth time?

1/8 chance to get all heads with the normal coin, 8/8 with the double-head coin. The chance that you have the normal coin is thus 1/9 since you were equally likely to have picked up either coin. The chance of getting a tails on the normal coin is 1/2, for an overall chance of 1/18; otherwise, you have four heads. 17/18 is thus the chance of getting four heads, given the first three are heads.
 
bala.l said:
I didn't follow Rogerio's reply, and the divisions are wrong in that.

My mistake.
Correcting the values:

Your universe: 1/16 + 1/2
Probability of having the double heads coin: (1/2) / ( 1/16 + 1/2 ) = 8/9
Probability of having the fair coin: (1/16) / ( 1/16 + 1/2 ) = 1/9
( of course you could get the last result by "1 - 8/9" )

Then, the probability of a 4th head is:
1.0 * 8/9 , if you have the double heads coin
0.5 * 1/9 , if you have the fair coin

So, the answer is 17/18.
(8/9 + 1/18)
 
Thank you!
I noticed that the probability in the first reply were for the 5th throw coming up heads, but I understood what he was doing so I did it for the 4th throw and got ... 17/18! That rocks.
Thank you all for your help!
 

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