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The discussion centers around the use of cloud computing for technical and scientific applications, particularly in the context of transitioning from traditional tools like Excel and C# to more modern programming languages such as Python and Julia. Participants explore the potential benefits and challenges of sharing applications and data in a cloud environment.

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Main Points Raised

  • Michel expresses a desire to move away from Excel and C# for process simulation and seeks experiences with cloud computing for sharing applications simply.
  • One participant argues that tools like Fortran and Excel are still valid in certain contexts and emphasizes the importance of selecting appropriate tools for specific tasks.
  • Another participant shares their preference for preparing report documents to visualize data rather than allowing others to alter it, highlighting the use of various data formats for sharing.
  • Michel discusses frustrations with organizational standards that limit the use of more efficient tools and shares positive experiences with JuMP in Julia and Pyomo/Ipopt in Python.
  • A concern is raised about the security of data in cloud computing compared to in-house servers, suggesting that data breaches are a significant issue in cloud environments.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the effectiveness and appropriateness of traditional tools versus modern programming languages and cloud computing. There is no consensus on the best approach to sharing applications or the security implications of cloud computing.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various tools and frameworks without resolving the effectiveness of each. The discussion reflects a range of experiences and opinions on the transition to cloud computing and the challenges associated with it.

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Hello,

Since a few months I enjoy learning and using Python, Julia, R, Jupyter.

I abandoned Fortran long ago.
Today, I decided to break with the more recent past.
I will stop computing in Excel and C#, (mainly for process simulation, since more than 10 years) ...

I would also like to stop sharing Excel files with my colleagues and avoid asking them to install my C# stuff with admin rights.
Here is where "cloud computing" would be very exciting.

Would some of you have experiences to share about "cloud computing" for technical and scientific applications?
(in an academic setup or an industrial setup)

I am especially interested to learn about how we can share applications in this way, with maximum simplicity.
Could it be as simple as sharing holiday pictures on OneDrive?

Thanks,

Michel
 
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Im puzzled by your rejection of tools that work quite well. Programmers and analysts select the tools that are right for the job and right for the times. Fortran was a great innovation when it came out and in some circumstances is still in use today in academic circles using legacy fortran code.

In general, when I want to share information with others, I like to prepare a report document where the data is visualized. I don't want someone to look at the data, alter it in some way and then come back with questions about the altered data. However, there are times when this makes sense and so various data formats are available to do this from CSV files for spreadsheet data to NETCDF files for scientific datasets.

Sometimes we share workspaces s that other can run my java code on their machine or we use a common repository for code sharing.

I like the Jupyter notebook concept. Its like an online interactive tutorial imitating how a prof might rpresent various concepts to students. It can be used to document what you've investigated and is easy to share. Its like having a book where you can interactively explore the displayed equations to get a better understanding of things. Some universtiy profs use it today in their teaching.
 
My rejection is not so much about the tools.
It is more because of my professional environment where standards are pushing people to do crazy things.
We have hundreds of engineers all using Excel as computing tool.
I have tried for many year to overcome these limitations, by pushing some java code, some vsto C# addin into Excel, ...
I used Excel-DNA to push even further.
But that doesn't solve the problem at the root.
For example, I do a lot of mathematical optimization (without the Excel solver) and had recourse to many solution, including the (failed) Microsoft Solver Foundation which was very promising.
That was all re-inventing the wheel as there are many excellent solution, free, open-source, and very efficient if one agree to break from the business routine.

You can't imagine my pleasure when I first decided to try JuMP on Julia and more recently Pyomo/Ipopt in Python.
I am very happy with this change of mind but a bit angry that I did not try earlier.

Therefore, now I am eager to find ways to share with my colleagues without fighting with the IT dept.
Sharing means that I want to do my job without troubling our IT.
But I need to know if cloud computing could help and how.
(I am also ready to leave 10% of my pay for this life-enhancing aim, paying some CPU time for colleagues)

Thanks for your suggestions

Michel
 
Cloud computing has a fundamental issue of how it to protect your data from breaches of security. You don't have this issue as much with in-house servers.

This article gets into a lot of cloud features, architectures and issues:
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_computing
 

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