Q2: In a relative non-inertial reference frame, why is fluid velocity zero?

  • #36
TSny said:
This expression is not always equal to zero. It might help to consider the case where we choose the CV to include a significant mass of fluid:
View attachment 336393
Note: The CV remains at rest relative to the cart. So, the CV is a noninertial frame of reference.
[Edited to add this note.]

Let ##M## be the mass of the cart and ##m## be the mass of fluid inside the CV. Both ##M## and ##m## are constant in time. Then $$\frac{\partial}{\partial t}\int u_{xyz}\rho d\forall = m\frac{\partial u_{xyz}}{\partial t} \neq 0.$$ Here, ##u_{xyz}## is the x-component of the velocity of the fluid in the stream relative to the cart, which changes with time.

But, when we chose the CV to exclude any significant mass of fluid (see the figure in post #20), we got zero for this expression since ##m = 0## for that CV. Now, the answer to the problem cannot depend on our choice of CV. So, at first sight, it might seem that something is wrong. However, we are saved by the fact that by changing the CV to include a significant mass of fluid, something changes on the left side of the fundamental equation which fixes things.

On the left side of the fundamental equation, we have the term $$-\int_{CV}a_{rf_x} \rho d\forall$$ where ##a_{rf_x}## is the acceleration of the reference frame of the cart relative to the lab frame. With our new CV, $$-\int_{CV}a_{rf_x} \rho d\forall = -Ma_{rf_x} - ma_{rf_x}.$$ The last term ##- ma_{rf_x}## is what fixes things since it turns out to equal the expression ##m\frac{\partial u_{xyz}}{\partial t}## that occurs on the right side of the fundamental equation. So, these terms cancel. Thus, changing the CV does not affect the final result.

To see the equivalence of##- ma_{rf_x}## and ##m\frac{\partial u_{xyz}}{\partial t}##, we note that ##u_{xyz} = -(V+U)##, where ##U## is the instantaneous speed of the cart relative to the lab and ##V## is the speed of the fluid stream relative to the lab. The negative sign in the expression is due to taking positive x direction toward the right. Thus, the x-component of the velocity of the fluid relative to the cart is negative. Since V is a constant, we get $$m\frac{\partial u_{xyz}}{\partial t} = -m\frac{\partial (U+V)}{\partial t} = -m\frac{\partial U}{\partial t} = - ma_{rf_x}$$

View attachment 336395
I got it. Thank you very much for teaching and explaining in such detail and patience.
 
Physics news on Phys.org
  • #37
erobz said:
Taken directly from my textbook:

View attachment 336391
The content of this book is extremely detailed, it must be a good book. Therefore, I'd like to inquire about the title of this textbook, I hope you don't mind.
 
  • #38
tracker890 Source h said:
The content of this book is extremely detailed, it must be a good book. Therefore, I'd like to inquire about the title of this textbook, I hope you don't mind.
Engineering Fluid Mechanics: Crowe, Elger, Williams, Roberson -9th Edition
 
  • Like
Likes tracker890 Source h

Similar threads

  • Introductory Physics Homework Help
Replies
3
Views
425
  • Introductory Physics Homework Help
Replies
9
Views
597
  • Introductory Physics Homework Help
Replies
3
Views
963
  • Introductory Physics Homework Help
Replies
2
Views
614
  • Introductory Physics Homework Help
Replies
12
Views
871
  • Classical Physics
Replies
6
Views
326
Replies
4
Views
1K
  • Introductory Physics Homework Help
Replies
9
Views
710
Replies
1
Views
658
  • Introductory Physics Homework Help
Replies
13
Views
2K
Back
Top