QED Renormalization Counterterm Confusion

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the renormalization conditions for Quantum Electrodynamics (QED), specifically addressing the photon propagator and its counterterms as outlined in Peskin's text. Participants explore the implications of setting the photon propagator at ##q^2 = 0## and the treatment of the ##q^{\mu}q^{\nu}## term within this context.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the photon propagator counterterm can be simplified to zero by rewriting ##q^{\mu}q^{\nu}## in terms of ##g^{\mu\nu}## and ##q^{2}##.
  • Another participant suggests that the expression for ##q^{\mu}q^{\nu}## requires an additional index and cannot be simplified as proposed.
  • A follow-up question is raised regarding how to handle the ##q^{\mu}q^{\nu}## term when evaluating the propagator at ##q^2 = 0##.
  • Further discussion introduces the concept of Ward-Takahashi identities, asserting that no mass counterterm is necessary for the photon propagator, and elaborates on the structure of the photon-polarization tensor.
  • References to specific equations and sections in Peskin's book and external materials are made to support various points.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the treatment of the photon propagator counterterm and the implications of the ##q^{\mu}q^{\nu}## term. No consensus is reached regarding the simplification or handling of these terms.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes unresolved mathematical steps and varying interpretations of the renormalization conditions. The implications of gauge invariance and the role of loop corrections are also noted but not fully resolved.

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Hey all,
When looking at the renormalization conditions for QED (see page 332, equation 10.40 from Peskin), there is a condition that requires the photon propagator at ##q^2 = 0## to evaluate to 0. But looking at the expression for the photon propagator counterterm: ##-i(g^{\mu\nu}q^2 - q^{\mu}q^{\nu})\delta_{3}##, can I not rewrite ##q^{\mu}q^{\nu} = g^{\mu\nu}q_{\nu}q^{\nu} = g^{\mu\nu}q^{2}## and then the entire counterterm just disappears?
 
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thatboi said:
Hey all,
When looking at the renormalization conditions for QED (see page 332, equation 10.40 from Peskin), there is a condition that requires the photon propagator at ##q^2 = 0## to evaluate to 0. But looking at the expression for the photon propagator counterterm: ##-i(g^{\mu\nu}q^2 - q^{\mu}q^{\nu})\delta_{3}##, can I not rewrite ##q^{\mu}q^{\nu} = g^{\mu\nu}q_{\nu}q^{\nu} = g^{\mu\nu}q^{2}## and then the entire counterterm just disappears?
Try writing your expression for the second term explicitly. What you wrote was
##\displaystyle q^{\mu} q^{\nu} = \left ( \sum_{\nu} g^{\mu \nu} q_{\nu} \right ) q^{\nu} = g^{\mu \nu} \left ( \sum_{\nu} q_{\nu} q^{\nu} \right ) = g^{\mu \nu} q^2##

Does this make sense?

-Dan
 
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thatboi said:
can I not rewrite ##q^{\mu}q^{\nu} = g^{\mu\nu}q_{\nu}q^{\nu} = g^{\mu\nu}q^{2}##
You need another index
##q^{\mu}q^{\nu} = g^{\mu\tau}q_{\tau}q^{\nu}## which is not equal to ##g^{\mu\nu}q^{2}##
 
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Great, thanks a lot. As a followup question (let me know if I should make a new thread for this): For the renormalization condition Peskin evaluates the photon propagator at ##q^2 =0##, how do I deal with the ##q^{\mu}q^{\nu}## term?
 
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What do you mean by "deal with"
 
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malawi_glenn said:
What do you mean by "deal with"
As in equation (10.44) of Peskin's book. To get the counterterm ##\delta_{3}##, they set ##q^2=0## in the full propagator including counterterm, but then what happens to the ##q^{\mu}q^{\nu}## term?
 
thatboi said:
Great, thanks a lot. As a followup question (let me know if I should make a new thread for this): For the renormalization condition Peskin evaluates the photon propagator at ##q^2 =0##, how do I deal with the ##q^{\mu}q^{\nu}## term?
The photon is a gauge boson. That implies Ward-Takahashi identities which tell you that there is no mass generated by loop corrections and there's also no mass counterterm necessary to renormalize the photon propagator, i.e., there's only a wave-function renormalizing counter term. This implies that the photon-polarization tensor (aka photon self-energy tensor) is of the form
$$\Pi^{\mu \nu}(k)=k^2 \Pi(k) \left (g^{\mu \nu}-\frac{k^{\mu} k^{\nu}}{k^2} \right).$$
The Dyson equation then tells you that the photon propagor reads
$$D_{\gamma \perp}^{\mu \nu} = -\frac{\Theta^{\mu \nu}(k)}{k^2 (1-\Pi(k))}+D_{\gamma 0 \parallel}^{\mu \nu},$$
i.e., the longitudinal part is non-interacting, and the longitudinal photons are unphysical gauge-dependend pieces, which don't participate in any physical quantities, which are gauge invariant.

For details, see Sect. 6.6 in

https://itp.uni-frankfurt.de/~hees/publ/lect.pdf

where I used the particularly elegant and simple background-field gauge description of QED.
 
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