QED renormalization in Peskin's

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The discussion revolves around the renormalization of Quantum Electrodynamics (QED) as presented in Peskin's textbook, focusing on the definitions and implications of counterterms, self-energy, and the beta function. Participants explore the nuances of the mathematical formulations and their interpretations, as well as the potential errors in the text.

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  • One participant identifies a potential mistake in Peskin's formulation of the electron's self-energy and the corresponding counterterms, questioning the validity of the claim that \(\delta_m = -\Sigma_2(m)\).
  • Another participant suggests that the relationship between the bare mass and the renormalized mass involves additional terms, leading to a different interpretation of the counterterms.
  • Some participants discuss the implications of the errata found in the textbook, which may clarify the confusion regarding the counterterms.
  • Concerns are raised about the coefficients of the \(\delta\) terms, particularly regarding the inclusion of the bare electric charge \(e_0\) versus the renormalized charge \(e\) in certain calculations.
  • There is a discussion on the computation of the QED beta function, with conflicting results presented regarding the factors involved, such as whether it should include \(e_0^3\) or \(e^3\).
  • Participants explore the implications of higher loop orders on the beta function and the relationship between bare and renormalized couplings, questioning the definitions and derivations presented in the textbook.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the treatment of the \(e_0\) factor in the context of the beta function and its dependence on the renormalization scheme.

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Participants express differing views on the correct formulations and interpretations of counterterms and the beta function in QED. There is no consensus on the validity of Peskin's claims or the implications of the identified potential errors.

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Participants note that the discussion is limited by the specific formulations presented in Peskin's textbook and the assumptions underlying the definitions of the counterterms and the beta function. The relationship between bare and renormalized quantities remains a point of contention.

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I think I have found a mistake/wrong formulation at Peskin’s, when he discusses the renormalization of QED.

In particular, he defines the 1PI of the electron’s self-energy on page 331 as: –i\Sigma( \displaystyle{\not}p ) and the corresponding counterterm on page 332 as: i( \displaystyle{\not}p \delta_2 - \delta_m ). It is then logical to assume that the combined term can be written in 1-loop order as:
–i\Sigma( \displaystyle{\not}p ) = –i<br /> \Sigma_2( \displaystyle{\not}p ) + i( \displaystyle{\not}p \delta_2-\delta_m )
Then if one uses the on-shell renormalization conditions (pg. 332):
\Sigma ( \displaystyle{\not}p = m) = 0
\frac{d}{d\displaystyle{\not}p} \Sigma( \displaystyle{\not}p )\bigg|_{\displaystyle{\not}p = m} = 0<br />
they yield the counterterms:
\delta_2 = \frac{d}{d\displaystyle{\not}p }\Sigma_2( \displaystyle{\not}p ) \bigg|_{\displaystyle{\not}p = m} and
\delta_m = -\Sigma_2(m) +m \delta_2
Peskin claims though that: \delta_m = -\Sigma_2(m)
I implore you to share any insights on the matter, cause this triviality is driving me crazy!
 
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You're right, there's some confusion there. Recall that, if ##m = m_0 + \delta m##, then
$$ \delta_m = Z_2 m_0 -m = Z_2(m - \delta m) -m = m \delta_2 - Z_2 \delta m.$$
Therefore, you'll find that
$$ \Sigma_2(m) = Z_2 \delta m \approx \delta m,$$
where the last approximation is good at this order of perturbation theory.

Alternatively, if you check the errata you'll find

  • p. 333: The extreme left-hand side of eq. (10.42) should be "delta_m - m delta_2" instead of "delta_m"
which agrees with my result above.
 
I've spent a day searching for alternative formulations. Totally forgot about the ERRATA, so I guess it was my fault. Thank you very much for the quick reply.
 
Now that we are at it, I think they have the coefficients of the \delta terms also wrong. For example the \Pi_2 diagram was calculated before the normalization and thus it has to contain the bare electric charge e_0 and not the renormalized charge e. Another way to see this is the definition of the renormalized charge: e=Z^{1/2}_3e_0≈(1+\delta_3 /2)e_0. It would make no sense for \delta_3 to have a e coefficient as in (10.44) on page 333.
 
The quantities on pg 333 are computed using the Lagrangian (10.38) (note the comment below Fig 10.4) so they depend on the renormalized coupling. Since the counterterms are introduced to cancel divergences of one-loop diagrams, they must include terms that depend on ##e^2##.

As an aside, (10.37) defines the relationship between ##e## and ##e_0##, which involves ##Z_{1,2}## in addition to the factor you have above.
 
If this is the case, then when I try to compute the correct QED beta function I get:

\beta(e) = \mu \frac{d}{d\mu} e = \mu \frac{d}{d\mu} [(1+\frac{\delta_3}{2})e_0] = \frac{e_0 e^2}{12\pi^2}

and not the e_0^3 factor (or e^3 factor, I no longer know what is right).

PS: In QED Z_1=Z_2, so those factors cancel out.
 
Trifis said:
If this is the case, then when I try to compute the correct QED beta function I get:

\beta(e) = \mu \frac{d}{d\mu} e = \mu \frac{d}{d\mu} [(1+\frac{\delta_3}{2})e_0] = \frac{e_0 e^2}{12\pi^2}

and not the e_0^3 factor (or e^3 factor, I no longer know what is right).

I think this is ok, since
$$ e_0 = e + O(e^3),$$
so
$$\beta(e) = \frac{e^3}{12\pi^2} + O(e^5).$$
The inaccuracies are shoved off to the next loop order. If we were computing the 2-loop beta function, we'd have to keep track of how the higher-order corrections to the one-loop coefficient propagate though to the next order.

PS: In QED Z_1=Z_2, so those factors cancel out.
Oh right, thanks for the reminder!
 
So what happens at higher loop orders? Do we get a e_0 ⋅ e^n factor and then solve e_0 for e and replace?

What about the
\beta(e) = \mu \frac{d}{d\mu} e \bigg|_{e_0}
equation (that I just noticed on pg. 417) ? Setting e_0=e at any order would yield a convenient result. But then again, I don't see why the beta function should be defined like that from the derivation of the Callan-Symanzik equation.
 
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Trifis said:
So what happens at higher loop orders? Do we get a e_0*e^n factor and then solve e_0 for e and replace?

What about the
\beta(e) = \mu \frac{d}{d\mu} e \bigg|_{e_0} = 0
equation (that I just noticed on pg. 417) ? Setting e_0=e at any order would yield a convenient result. But then again, I don't see why the beta function should be defined like that from the derivation of the Callan-Symanzik equation.

That expression doesn't mean set ##e=e_0##, it means take the derivative in such a way that ##\partial e_0/\partial M=0##. A more familiar notation might be
$$\left( \frac{\partial e}{\partial M} \right)_{e_0,\Lambda}.$$
To see that it works for QED, we need to incorporate dimensional transmutation into the relationship between the bare and renormalized coupling. I'm not familiar enough with P&S to know where it's gone in their expression, but you would have
$$ e_0 = \mu^{\epsilon} \left( 1 + \frac{e^2}{24\pi^2} \frac{1}{\epsilon} + O(e^3) \right) e$$
and can differentiate and solve this for the ##\beta## function in the ##\epsilon\rightarrow 0## limit.

At higher orders I would want to compute the higher order corrections to either the equation I just wrote down, or use the Callen-Symanzik equation, since now we will probably have non-trivial contributions coming in from the anomalous dimension terms.
 
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So there is always one e_0 factor, which we trade for its expansion in e. The \delta_3 contains only e prefactors. In the end we get a beta-function depending only on e, which one can use to calculate the running coupling.
 
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Trifis said:
So there is always one e_0 factor, which we trade for its expansion in e. The \delta_3 contains only e prefactors. In the end we get a beta-function depending only on e, which one can use to calculate the running coupling.

I think the ##e_0## factor will appear in certain expressions that you can use to compute the beta function, like the one you used above. The method I used above keeps ##e_0## off by itself and the method P&S use in Ch 12 uses only the renormalized variables. Whichever method you use, I believe that it is a theorem that the first coefficient in the beta function will always be the same (perhaps also the 2nd for QED). You might learn something about scheme dependence eventually, which is about how you treat the finite parts of the counterterms and how it can change the higher-order terms in the beta function. It's possible that having to trade expansions between bare and renormalized variables is effectively part of the scheme dependence at higher orders too, but I am not certain.
 

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