QM: changing basis of quantum states

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The discussion revolves around expressing a wavefunction in different bases, specifically momentum and position, as part of a quantum mechanics homework problem. Participants are examining the relationships between wavefunctions and the effects of operators on these states.

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  • Participants discuss their attempts to express wavefunctions in different bases and question the correctness of their steps. There is exploration of the integration involved in the Fourier transform and how it relates to the wavefunctions.

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Some participants have provided guidance on the relationships between the wavefunctions and the effects of operators. There is ongoing exploration of the mathematical expressions and their implications, with no explicit consensus reached on all points.

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Participants note challenges with specific integrations and the complexity of the expressions involved. There are references to homework constraints and specific parts of the assignment that are under discussion.

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Hello,

I am trying to express a given wavefunction through different basis, momentum and position. Look at 5.2(b) and (c) through the link: http://qis.ucalgary.ca/quantech/443/2011/homework_five.pdf"

I complete part (b) by doing the following:
\int\left\langle{x}\left|e^{\frac{-i\hat{p}a}{h}}\left|{x'}\right\rangle\left\langle{x'}\left|\psi\right\rangle dx' = \psi(x+a)
If I did part (b) correctly, then for part (c), I did the same thing to find the state in the momentum basis:
\int\left\langle{p}\left|e^{\frac{-i\hat{p}a}{h}}\left|{p'}\right\rangle\left\langle{p'}\left|\psi\right\rangle dp' = \int e^{\frac{-ip'a}{h}}\psi(p')dp'
Now I do not know where to go..and I do not know if i did the right steps.
So if anyone can help, that would be great!
Thank You
Doublemint

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I have looked at 5.3(b) and the integration is horrible...
Given that: \tilde{\psi}(p) = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2\pi\hbar}}\int\psi(x)e^{\frac{-ipx}{\hbar}}dx = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2\pi\hbar}}\int Axe^{\frac{-k^{2}x^{2}}{2}}e^{\frac{-ipx}{\hbar}}dx. Any one got ideas on this one as well?
 
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I think the link you gave doesn't work. I can't help you anyway, I'm just curious :P
 
thanks Telemachus, Ill get that fixed.
 
doublemint said:
I did the same thing to find the state in the momentum basis:
\int\langle p |e^{\frac{-i\hat{p}a}{h}} |p'\rangle \langle p'|\psi \rangle dp' = \int e^{\frac{-ip'a}{h}}\psi(p')dp'
You made a mistake here. You need to use:

<br /> \langle p |e^{\frac{-i\hat{p}a}{h}} |p&#039;\rangle = e^{\frac{-i p&#039; a}{\hbar}} \langle p | p&#039; \rangle = e^{\frac{-i p&#039; a}{\hbar}} \delta(p - p&#039;)<br />
 
Hey matonski,
So you are saying it should be like this?
\int e^{\frac{-ip&#039;a}{\hbar}}\delta(p-p&#039;)\psi(p&#039;)dp&#039; = e^{\frac{-ipa}{\hbar}}\psi(p)
Okay, so then how do I use the Fourier Transformations to verify part (b)?
 
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The problem wants to you to take the explicit expressions you have for the wave functions \tilde{\psi}(p) and \tilde{\psi}&#039;(p) and Fourier transform them to find their representation in the position basis. In the position basis, those two wave functions should have the relationship you figured out in part (b).

doublemint said:
Edit:
I have looked at 5.3(b) and the integration is horrible...
Given that: \tilde{\psi}(p) = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2\pi\hbar}}\int\psi(x)e^{\frac{-ipx}{\hbar}}dx = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2\pi\hbar}}\int Axe^{\frac{-k^{2}x^{2}}{2}}e^{\frac{-ipx}{\hbar}}dx. Any one got ideas on this one as well?
Complete the square in the exponent.
 
Alright I figured out 5.3. Now for 5.2..
okay so for \tilde{\psi}(p) = Ae^{\frac{-b^{2}p^{2}}{2}
i would sub it into:
\psi(x)= \frac{1}{\sqrt{2\pi\hbar}}\int\tilde{\psi}(p) e^{\frac{-ipx}{\hbar}}dp = \frac{Ae^{\frac{-1x^{2}}{2b^{2}\hbar^{2}}}}{ib\sqrt{\hbar}}
So far so good?
Then to find the momentum basis of \left|\psi&#039;\right\rangle = e^{\frac{-i\hat{p}a}{\hbar}\left|\psi\right\rangle
I would just do what I did before which was
\int e^{\frac{-ip&#039;a}{\hbar}}\delta(p-p&#039;)\psi(p&#039;)dp&#039; = e^{\frac{-ipa}{\hbar}}\psi(p)
But I do not see the consistency compared to 5.2(b)..
 
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doublemint said:
I would just do what I did before which was
\int e^{\frac{-ip&#039;a}{\hbar}}\delta(p-p&#039;)\psi(p&#039;)dp&#039; = e^{\frac{-ipa}{\hbar}}\psi(p)
But I do not see the consistency compared to 5.2(b)..
You have

\tilde{\psi}&#039;(p) = \langle p \vert \psi&#039; \rangle = e^{-ipa/\hbar}\tilde{\psi}(p) = e^{-ipa/\hbar}Ae^{-b^2p^2/2}

Now take its Fourier transform to find the wave function \psi&#039;(x) for the state \vert \psi&#039; \rangle in the position basis.

What does 5.2(b) say about how \psi(x) and \psi&#039;(x) should be related?
 
vela said:
You have

\tilde{\psi}&#039;(p) = \langle p \vert \psi&#039; \rangle = e^{-ipa/\hbar}\tilde{\psi}(p) = e^{-ipa/\hbar}Ae^{-b^2p^2/2}

Now take its Fourier transform to find the wave function \psi&#039;(x) for the state \vert \psi&#039; \rangle in the position basis.

What does 5.2(b) say about how \psi(x) and \psi&#039;(x) should be related?

\tilde{\psi}&#039;(x) = \frac{Ae^{\frac{-1(a+x)^{2}}{2b^{2}\hbar}}}{b\sqrt{\hbar}}
So 5.2(b) should be describing a shift between \psi(x) and \psi&#039;(x), right?
 
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Right. That's what 5.2(b) showed. The effect of the operator \exp(-i\hat{p}a/\hbar) was to shift the state by a to the left. So when you took the two momentum-space wave functions and Fourier-transformed them back to the position basis, you should find that one is the shifted version of the other if everything is consistent.
 
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Cool! Thanks a lot vela!
 

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