QM Question: Calculating [H,p] for a Particle in a Potential V(x)

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The discussion focuses on calculating the commutator [H, p] for a particle in a potential V(x), where H is the Hamiltonian and p is the momentum operator. The initial calculations show that [H, p] results in an expression involving the derivative of the potential, specifically iħ(∂V(x)/∂x). It is emphasized that this is an operator expression, meaning the derivative acts on the entire right-hand side. The conversation also touches on the expectation value <C> and suggests that without specific forms for the potential and wavefunction, simplification is limited to expressing it as iħ<∂V(x)/∂x>. Overall, the calculations and interpretations are deemed correct, with a focus on the implications for further analysis.
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For a particle in a potential V(x), calculate [H,p]

H = \frac{-\hbar^2}{2m}\frac{\delta^{2}}{\delta x^{2}} + V(x)
p = -i\hbar \frac{\delta}{\delta x}

[H,p] =
Hp - pH =
\frac{-\hbar^2}{2m}\frac{\delta^{2}}{\delta x^{2}} * -i\hbar \frac{\delta}{\delta x} + V(x)-i\hbar \frac{\delta}{\delta x} - -i\hbar \frac{\delta}{\delta x}\frac{-\hbar^2}{2m}\frac{\delta^{2}}{\delta x^{2}} - -i\hbar \frac{\delta}{\delta x}V(x) =
i\frac{\hbar^{3}}{2m}\frac{\delta^{3}}{\delta x^{3}} - V(x)ih\frac{\delta}{\delta x} - i\frac{\hbar^{3}}{2m}\frac{\delta^{3}}{\delta x^{3}} + i\hbar \frac{\delta}{\delta x}V(x) =
i\hbar \frac{\delta}{\delta x}V(x) - V(x)ih\frac{\delta}{\delta x}

Given \Delta A \Delta B \geq |&lt;C&gt;|/2 with |&lt;C&gt;| = [A,B], find
\Delta A \Delta B

&lt;C&gt; = \int \Psi^{*}(i\hbar \frac{\delta}{\delta x}V(x) - V(x)ih\frac{\delta}{\delta x})\Psi dx

Can I go from there? Is any of this correct?

 
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iamalexalright said:
[H,p] =
i\hbar \frac{\delta}{\delta x}V(x) - V(x)ih\frac{\delta}{\delta x}

It looks fine so far, but you need to remember this is an operator expression, so the derivative in the first term acts on everything to the RHS. Specifically, this means that

[H,p]\psi(x) = i\hbar \frac{\delta}{\delta x}(V(x) \psi(x)) - V(x)ih\frac{\delta \psi(x)}{\delta x}
= i\hbar \left(\frac{\delta V(x)}{\delta x}\right) \psi(x) + i\hbar V(x) \frac{\delta \psi(x) }{\delta x} - V(x)ih\frac{\delta \psi(x)}{\delta x}
= i\hbar \left(\frac{\delta V(x)}{\delta x}\right) \psi(x) .

This is important for computing \langle [H,p] \rangle in the 2nd part.
 
alright, so the second part I would get:

&lt;C&gt; = \int \Psi^{*} \Psi i\hbar \frac{\delta}{\delta x}V(x)dx =
i\hbar \int \Psi{*} \Psi \frac{\delta}{\delta x}V(x)dx

Anyway to simplify this?
 
iamalexalright said:
alright, so the second part I would get:

&lt;C&gt; = \int \Psi^{*} \Psi i\hbar \frac{\delta}{\delta x}V(x)dx =
i\hbar \int \Psi{*} \Psi \frac{\delta}{\delta x}V(x)dx

Anyway to simplify this?

If you don't know the potential and wavefunction, I don't see how you could do more than just call this i\hbar\langle \delta V(x)/\delta x \rangle.
 

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