QM Question: Calculating [H,p] for a Particle in a Potential V(x)

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The discussion revolves around calculating the commutator [H,p] for a particle in a potential V(x), where H represents the Hamiltonian and p represents the momentum operator. Participants are exploring the implications of this operator expression in quantum mechanics.

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  • Participants are attempting to derive the expression for [H,p] and are discussing the implications of operator expressions, particularly how derivatives act on functions. Questions about the correctness of the derivations and the next steps in the calculation are raised.

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Some participants have provided guidance on the interpretation of the operator expressions and their application in calculating expectation values. There is an ongoing exploration of the simplification of the integral involving the potential and wavefunction.

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Participants note the importance of knowing the specific forms of the potential and wavefunction to proceed further with simplifications or calculations.

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For a particle in a potential V(x), calculate [H,p]

[tex]H = \frac{-\hbar^2}{2m}\frac{\delta^{2}}{\delta x^{2}} + V(x)[/tex]
[tex]p = -i\hbar \frac{\delta}{\delta x}[/tex]

[tex][H,p] =[/tex]
[tex]Hp - pH =[/tex]
[tex]\frac{-\hbar^2}{2m}\frac{\delta^{2}}{\delta x^{2}} * -i\hbar \frac{\delta}{\delta x} + V(x)-i\hbar \frac{\delta}{\delta x} - -i\hbar \frac{\delta}{\delta x}\frac{-\hbar^2}{2m}\frac{\delta^{2}}{\delta x^{2}} - -i\hbar \frac{\delta}{\delta x}V(x) =[/tex]
[tex]i\frac{\hbar^{3}}{2m}\frac{\delta^{3}}{\delta x^{3}} - V(x)ih\frac{\delta}{\delta x} - i\frac{\hbar^{3}}{2m}\frac{\delta^{3}}{\delta x^{3}} + i\hbar \frac{\delta}{\delta x}V(x) =[/tex]
[tex]i\hbar \frac{\delta}{\delta x}V(x) - V(x)ih\frac{\delta}{\delta x}[/tex]

Given [tex]\Delta A \Delta B \geq |<C>|/2[/tex] with [tex]|<C>| = [A,B][/tex], find
[tex]\Delta A \Delta B[/tex]

[tex]<C> = \int \Psi^{*}(i\hbar \frac{\delta}{\delta x}V(x) - V(x)ih\frac{\delta}{\delta x})\Psi dx[/tex]

Can I go from there? Is any of this correct?

 
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iamalexalright said:
[tex][H,p] =[/tex]
[tex]i\hbar \frac{\delta}{\delta x}V(x) - V(x)ih\frac{\delta}{\delta x}[/tex]

It looks fine so far, but you need to remember this is an operator expression, so the derivative in the first term acts on everything to the RHS. Specifically, this means that

[tex][H,p]\psi(x) = i\hbar \frac{\delta}{\delta x}(V(x) \psi(x)) - V(x)ih\frac{\delta \psi(x)}{\delta x}[/tex]
[tex]= i\hbar \left(\frac{\delta V(x)}{\delta x}\right) \psi(x) + i\hbar V(x) \frac{\delta \psi(x) }{\delta x} - V(x)ih\frac{\delta \psi(x)}{\delta x}[/tex]
[tex]= i\hbar \left(\frac{\delta V(x)}{\delta x}\right) \psi(x) .[/tex]

This is important for computing [tex]\langle [H,p] \rangle[/tex] in the 2nd part.
 
alright, so the second part I would get:

[tex]<C> = \int \Psi^{*} \Psi i\hbar \frac{\delta}{\delta x}V(x)dx =[/tex]
[tex]i\hbar \int \Psi{*} \Psi \frac{\delta}{\delta x}V(x)dx[/tex]

Anyway to simplify this?
 
iamalexalright said:
alright, so the second part I would get:

[tex]<C> = \int \Psi^{*} \Psi i\hbar \frac{\delta}{\delta x}V(x)dx =[/tex]
[tex]i\hbar \int \Psi{*} \Psi \frac{\delta}{\delta x}V(x)dx[/tex]

Anyway to simplify this?

If you don't know the potential and wavefunction, I don't see how you could do more than just call this [tex]i\hbar\langle \delta V(x)/\delta x \rangle[/tex].
 

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