Quadratic equation application

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The discussion revolves around the application of quadratic equations in two problems: the first involves calculating the speeds of two runners based on their distances and time differences, while the second concerns the construction of an open bin with a square base and its associated costs and volume. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and problem-solving techniques.

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Main Points Raised

  • Participants discuss the formulation of equations based on the distances and speeds of the runners, with one participant suggesting the use of time and speed variables.
  • There is a proposal to derive a quadratic equation from the relationships established for the runners' speeds and times.
  • Multiple participants present different potential solutions for the speeds of the runners, indicating uncertainty about the correct values.
  • For the bin problem, participants derive a volume function and a cost function, leading to a quadratic equation that needs to be solved.
  • One participant corrects their earlier mistake regarding the open nature of the bin, adjusting their volume calculation accordingly.
  • There is a discussion about the manipulation of quadratic equations, with participants sharing their methods for simplifying and solving them, including completing the square and multiplying to eliminate decimals.
  • Participants express curiosity about the methods used to simplify the quadratic equations and arrive at integer coefficients.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on the correct speeds of the runners, as multiple answers are proposed. The second problem also shows varying approaches to solving the quadratic equation, with different volume results being discussed. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the final answers for both problems.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the correctness of their solutions and methods, indicating that assumptions about the problems may not be fully clarified. The discussion includes various mathematical manipulations that may depend on specific interpretations of the problems.

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please help me get started with these problems.

1.) It took a faster runner 10 sec longer to run a distance of 1500 ft than it took a slower runner to run a distance of 1000 ft. If the rate of the faster runner was 5ft/sec more than the slower runner, what was the rate of each?

2.) It is desired to have an open bin with a square bottom, rectangular sides, and a height of 3m. If the material for the bottom costs \$5.40 per square meter and the material for the sides costs \$2.40 per square meter, what is the volume of the bin that can be constructed for \$63 worth of material?

THANKS!
 
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Let's begin with the first problem...

Let distances be measured in feet and time in seconds. Let $t$ be the time and $v$ be the speed of the slower runner. Using the relation between distance, constant speed and time:

$$d=vt$$

Can you construct the equations for the two runners? You will then have two equations in two unknowns.
 
$vt=1000$
$(v+5)(t+10)=1500$

do you mean like this? but I expect to get a quadratic equation. how's that?
 
Since you are asked for $v$, solve the first equation for $t$, and substitute into the second equation...it looks like a quadratic in $v$ will result. :D
 
my answers are

20ft/sec --slower runner
25ft/sec --faster runner

or

25ft/sec--- slower
30ft/sec--- faster

now how about the second problem?
 
We know the height $h$ is 3 m, but we don't know the length $x$ of the sides of the square bottom. We know the volume $V$ is:

$$V(x)=3x^2$$

The cost function is the area of the bottom times the cost in dollars per square meter of the bottom, plus the total area of the sides times the cost in dollars per square meter of the sides. Equating this to 63 will result in a quadratic in $x$.
 
$2(5.40)(x^2)+4(2.40)(3)(x)=63$

$10.8x^2+28.8x-63=0$

completing the square

$x^2+\frac{8}{3}x+(\frac{4}{3})^{2}=\frac{35}{6}+(\frac{4}{3})^2$

$x = 1.42m$

$V=(1.42)^2\times 3$

$V=6.05m^3$

is my answer correct?
 
You have an open bin rather than a closed box...
 
Oh yes! I just got excited and Included the part that should be open.

the answer is $V=8.33m^3$
 
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I wound up with:

$$3x^2+16x-35=0$$

$$(3x-5)(x+7)=0$$

Discarding the negative root, we are left with:

$$x=\frac{5}{3}$$

And so, the volume in cubic meters is:

$$V\left(\frac{5}{3}\right)=3\left(\frac{5}{3}\right)^2=\frac{25}{3}$$
 
  • #11
MarkFL said:
I wound up with:
$$3x^2+16x-35=0$$
I'm just curious how did arrive at this?
 
  • #12
paulmdrdo said:
I'm just curious how did arrive at this?

I had:

$$5.4x^2+28.8x-63=0$$

Then I multiplied through by $$\frac{10}{18}=\frac{5}{9}$$

to get:

$$3x^2+16x-35=(3x-5)(x+7)=0$$
 
  • #13
how did you know that multiplying the expression by that amount would give you a nice form? that's cool. please let me know.:o
 
  • #14
paulmdrdo said:
how did you know that multiplying the expression by that amount would give you a nice form? that's cool. please let me know.:o

Multiplying by 10 gets rids of the decimal point, and then the resulting numbers have 18 as their GCD. This gives you a quadratic with the same roots and having the smallest possible integer coefficients.
 

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