Quadratic Formula Solutions for Complex Numbers

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the applicability of the quadratic formula for complex numbers, specifically whether the solutions derived from the formula remain valid when the coefficients and variable are complex. The scope includes theoretical considerations and interpretations of the discriminant in relation to complex solutions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that the quadratic formula is valid for complex coefficients and variables, questioning if the solutions hold true under these conditions.
  • Others emphasize the role of the discriminant, noting that it determines the nature of the solutions (real or complex) and its implications when less than zero.
  • One participant suggests that the discriminant's behavior is different when coefficients are complex, indicating that complex arithmetic must be applied to find the roots.
  • Another participant points out that the quadratic equation can have two solutions, which may or may not be distinct or real, as stated in a referenced article.
  • Some participants discuss the necessity of substituting the solutions back into the equation to verify their correctness, highlighting a method of validation.
  • There is mention of the limitations of using the discriminant in real-number contexts, suggesting that for real functions, complex solutions may not be desirable.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of the discriminant when dealing with complex coefficients, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved regarding the nuances of applying the quadratic formula in complex contexts.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the nature of the coefficients and the implications of the discriminant, particularly in relation to real versus complex solutions.

Jhenrique
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The solutions ##(x_1, x_2)## for the quadratic equation ##(0=ax^2+bx+c)##:

##x_1 = \frac{-b + \sqrt{b^2-4ac}}{2a}##

##x_2 = \frac{-b - \sqrt{b^2-4ac}}{2a}##

Are true if ##x## and ##a##, ##b##, and ##c## ##\in## ##\mathbb{C}## ?
 
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The formula is variable in that the formula for x depends on the numbers a, b, and c. The discriminant is b^2-4ac. The way the discriminant relates to zero tells if there are two real solutions for x, or just one real solution for x, or two complex solutions for x using imaginary numbers.
 
symbolipoint said:
The formula is variable in that the formula for x depends on the numbers a, b, and c. The discriminant is b^2-4ac. The way the discriminant relates to zero tells if there are two real solutions for x, or just one real solution for x, or two complex solutions for x using imaginary numbers.

But the solution showed in my first post is valed for Δ=0 and Δ<0?
 
You mean delta as the discriminant? It is valid either way. If discriminant is less than zero, then , as I already said, x is not a real number. If a nonreal number makes no sense in a particular example application, then the solution for x is not valid.
 
I rechecked the last part of your first message on the topic. What I said is mostly for typical college algebra/ intermediate algebra student. The next person who responds should be a member with much more knowledge about complex numbers.
 
symbolipoint said:
I rechecked the last part of your first message on the topic. What I said is mostly for typical college algebra/ intermediate algebra student. The next person who responds should be a member with much more knowledge about complex numbers.

The wiki article says in plain type:
A quadratic equation with real or complex coefficients has two solutions, called roots. These two solutions may or may not be distinct, and they may or may not be real.

Doesn't that answer your question?
 
Jhenrique said:
But the solution showed in my first post is valed for Δ=0 and Δ<0?

These conditions are for Real coefficients. The 2nd has no meaning if the coefficients are complex since the complex are not an ordered field. If the coefficients are complex then you would need to know how to handle the square root and do complex arithmetic, but it should yield your 2 roots.
 
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jedishrfu said:
The wiki article says in plain type:
A quadratic equation with real or complex coefficients has two solutions, called roots. These two solutions may or may not be distinct, and they may or may not be real.

..which is a particular case of the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamental_theorem_of_algebra

To answer the OP's question, just substitute the given solutions in the equation and show they are correct.
 
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But ##\Delta## ##\in## ##\mathbb{C}## isn't necessary to apply the formula:

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in ##\frac{-b\pm \sqrt{b^2-4ac}}{2a}## ?
 
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AlephZero said:
..which is a particular case of the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamental_theorem_of_algebra

To answer the OP's question, just substitute the given solutions in the equation and show they are correct.

Thanks for the more generalized answer. The OP initial post asked if x,a,b,c could be elements of Complex numbers and so I posted the article which he did not completely agree with and so I posted the specific statement from the wiki article on the quadratic formula in response.
 
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Solution by discriminant is not necessarily limited to real numbers, in fact it finds what values x can have,
now, which means that x can be either real or complex, the matter is where you use it. For example if you use it for real functions, it's best if you cross out a discriminant less than 0 or even complex since what you originally want is a real solution. Outside the real number limited exercises, you can use it and get the result you want. It does have some use in complex numbers, depending on what result you want to satisfy.
 

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