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The discussion revolves around the nature of solutions to polynomial equations, particularly focusing on whether solving higher-order equations (cubic, quartic, etc.) necessitates the introduction of new types of numbers beyond complex numbers. Participants explore the implications of the fundamental theorem of algebra in this context.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that just as the quadratic equation introduces complex numbers, higher-order equations should also produce new kinds of numbers.
  • Others argue that complex numbers are sufficient to solve all polynomial equations, as indicated by the fundamental theorem of algebra, which guarantees at least one complex solution for any polynomial equation.
  • A participant emphasizes that the beauty of complex numbers lies in their ability to solve all polynomial equations without the need for new types of numbers, referencing the Feynman lectures for support.
  • There is a mention of the complexity involved in proving that complex numbers can solve all polynomial equations, highlighting the difficulty of the fundamental theorem of algebra.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether new types of numbers are necessary for solving higher-order polynomial equations. Some believe new numbers are needed, while others maintain that complex numbers suffice, indicating an unresolved debate.

Contextual Notes

Participants do not fully explore the implications of their claims regarding the necessity of new numbers, nor do they clarify the conditions under which their arguments hold. The discussion lacks a definitive resolution regarding the sufficiency of complex numbers for all polynomial equations.

Bruno Tolentino
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If the solution of the quadratic equation \frac{-b \pm \sqrt{b^2-4ac}}{2a} produces a new kind of number, the complex numbers a \pm i b so, the solution the cubic equation should to produce a new kind of number too, and the solution of the quartic equation too, etc...
 
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Bruno Tolentino said:
If the solution of the quadratic equation \frac{-b \pm \sqrt{b^2-4ac}}{2a} produces a new kind of number, the complex numbers a \pm i b so, the solution the cubic equation should to produce a new kind of number too, and the solution of the quartic equation too, etc...
Why? Your hypothesis is speculative.
 
I totally agree. By the fundamental theorem of algebra an equation
P_n(z)=a_0+a_1z+\ldots+a_nz^n=0
has at least a solution in the complex field \mathbb{C}
z_1=a+bi
So the LHS of the equation above can be written as
(z-z_1)P_{n-1}(z)=0
we can repeat the previous step up to n times getting n roots z_1,\;z_2,\;,\;\ldots,\;z_n such that
(z-z_1)(z-z_2)\ldots(z-z_n)=0

Thus the equation of degree n has up to n complex roots. They are not necessarily all distinct. Some of them can be multiple as in the following example
x^4(x-1)^3(x-2)^5=0
has the solutions
x=0,\;4ple,\;x=1,\;3ple,\;x=2,\;5ple
 
Bruno Tolentino said:
If the solution of the quadratic equation \frac{-b \pm \sqrt{b^2-4ac}}{2a} produces a new kind of number, the complex numbers a \pm i b so, the solution the cubic equation should to produce a new kind of number too, and the solution of the quartic equation too, etc...

And that's the beauty of the complex numbers! That you don't need any new kind of number for solving higher order equations! This point of view is made very clear in the Feynman lectures on complex numbers. Because naively, you do indeed expect that for solving new kind of equations, you will need new kind of numbers. But the entire mystery and beauty of complex numbers is that they are enough to solve all polynomial equations. This turns out to be very very difficult to prove though, it is called "the fundamental theorem of algebra" and you'll need some analysis to show this.
 
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