Quantitative Meaning of Ricci Tensor

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The discussion revolves around the Ricci tensor in the context of general relativity, specifically its quantitative meaning and its relationship to volume changes in a gravitational field. Participants explore definitions, interpretations, and the conditions under which the Ricci tensor may relate to volume differences.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses curiosity about the Ricci tensor's role in calculating volume differences affected by gravity, seeking a quantitative explanation.
  • Another participant suggests that there may not be a general relationship between the Ricci tensor and volume changes, proposing that such a relationship might only apply in cosmological contexts related to matter density.
  • A reference is provided by a participant, citing a paper that claims the Ricci tensor governs the evolution of a small volume along a geodesic, drawing a parallel to the Riemann tensor's role in vector evolution.
  • Another participant challenges this claim, stating it is only true under specific conditions involving irrotational, shear-free geodesic congruences, and highlights that vorticity and shear also influence volume evolution.
  • A participant asks for the geometric or physical meaning of the Ricci tensor if it does not generally relate to volume changes.
  • References to geometric interpretations of the Ricci tensor are provided, including a suggestion to consult a text on Riemannian geometry by Manfredo do Carmo.
  • Another participant cautions that interpretations of the Ricci tensor's effects on volume must be carefully considered, noting that they apply under specific local conditions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between the Ricci tensor and volume changes, with no consensus reached on its general applicability or meaning.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the dependence of interpretations on specific conditions, such as the nature of the geodesic congruence and local reference frames, indicating that the relationship between the Ricci tensor and volume changes is not straightforward.

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Hello,

I am studying general relativity right now and I am very curious about the Ricci tensor and its meaning. I keep running into definitions that explain how the Ricci tensor describes the deviation in volume as a space is affected by gravity. However, I have yet to find any quantitative explanation of this definition. How can volume differences be calculated with the Ricci tensor? What role does the Ricci tensor play in the volume changes?

Thanks!
 
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flyinjoe said:
I am studying general relativity right now and I am very curious about the Ricci tensor and its meaning. I keep running into definitions that explain how the Ricci tensor describes the deviation in volume as a space is affected by gravity. However, I have yet to find any quantitative explanation of this definition. How can volume differences be calculated with the Ricci tensor? What role does the Ricci tensor play in the volume changes?
In general there's no such relationship. Maybe you're talking about a cosmological situation, in which the expansion rate of the universe can be related to the matter density? Please give us a quote/reference where you found this.
 
Hi Bill,

Thanks for the response. In this paper:
http://arxiv.org/pdf/gr-qc/0401099v1.pdf
the author writes, "So in roughly the same sense that the Riemann tensor governs the evolution of a vector or a displacement parallel propagated along a geodesic, the Ricci tensor governs the evolution of a small volume parallel propagated along a geodesic."
 
That is not true in general. It is only true if the geodesic belongs to an irrotational, shear-free time-like geodesic congruence in which case the claim follows from the Raychaudhuri equation. Otherwise the vorticity and shear of the congruence will both contribute to the evolution of the volume of the geodesic ball, in which case the Ricci tensor won't be the only thing governing the evolution.
 
Ok, excellent. So what, if anything, is the geometric or physical meaning of the Ricci tensor if it has no general relationship with volume?
 
You can interpret it that way, but you have to be careful.

http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/einstein/node3.html

The rate at which a ball BEGINS to shrink, not just shrink, for one thing. Secondly, notice Baez's "fine print". This interpretation only works in a local reference frame in which the ball is initially at rest.
The mathematical justification can be found here:

http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/einstein/node10.html

Just a little index-gymnastics directly from Einstein's equation, so I don't think it's in question.
 

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