Quantum degeneracy problem, electron on a ring

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The discussion revolves around a quantum mechanics problem involving an electron confined to a ring, drawing parallels to the infinite square well. Participants explore the implications of periodic boundary conditions on the Hamiltonian and energy levels, as well as the concept of degeneracy in quantum states.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • The original poster attempts to derive the Hamiltonian and energy levels for an electron on a ring, questioning the degeneracy of these levels. Participants also discuss the implications of electron spin and the filling of energy levels in relation to aromatic compounds.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some offering clarifications on degeneracy related to the quantum number k. There is an ongoing exploration of the relationship between electron configuration and stability in aromatic compounds, with no explicit consensus reached on the interpretation of reactivity versus stability.

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There is mention of specific constraints regarding the number of electrons in different compounds and their implications for energy level filling, which are under discussion but not resolved.

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So this is a lot like the infinite square well, except periodic. If S is an arc length, then S = \theta R so \frac{d^2}{dS^2} = \frac{1}{R^2}\frac{d^2}{d\theta^2}, which is more convenient to use in the hamiltonian. So for the hamiltonian I get:

H = \frac{-\hbar^2}{2m}\frac{1}{R^2}\frac{d^2}{d\theta^2} + V_0

With Schrödinger's equation, I get

\frac{d^2 \psi^2}{d\theta^2} = -\frac{2mR^2(E - V_0)}{\hbar^2}\psi

Which gives solutions of the form \psi = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2\pi}}e^{\pm i k \theta}, where k = \sqrt{\frac{2mR^2(E - V_0)}{\hbar^2}}.

Then, because it's a ring, we need \psi(x + 2\pi) = \psi(x) for any x, which gives us the requirement that k is an integer. So our energy levels are E = \hbar^2 k^2/2mR^2 + V_0, and it seems like they have a degeneracy of 4 because we have two functions for each k with the same energy, and then for each of them, the electron's spin can be up or down. Is that right?

As for part (b), I have no idea... Benzene has 6 free electrons, so according to my degeneracy, it completely fills the first energy level, and then there are 2 electrons in the 2nd energy level. Ok...then they ask about a compound with 4 electrons. This seems like it just fills the first energy level, but that seems too simple and stupid to be right.

Can anyone help me out?

Thanks!
 
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k is an integer including zero. What is the degeneracy of the energy level corresponding to k = 0?
 
TSny said:
k is an integer including zero. What is the degeneracy of the energy level corresponding to k = 0?

Well I guess that just has a degeneracy of 2 due to the spin, right?

Any idea on the aromatic thing? I'm totally clueless about that...
 
Ah, I think I see, after what you just said and reading the wiki article on Huckel's Rule... The number of states for k =/= 0 is 4 for each energy level. For k = 0 it's 2. So like Huckel's Rule, for energy level n, there are 4n + 2 states. So benzene is aromatic because it has 6 electrons, so fully completes the n = 1 energy level. The other compound has 4 however, so it fills the n = 0 level but only half fills the n = 1 level, so it's not stable (though from the little I know of chemistry, I thought that just meant it's more reactive, not less stable).
 
I think your analysis is now correct. I'm not very clear on the reactive vs. stable interpretation either. Maybe someone can clarify it.
 

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