Quantum Entanglement: Explained with an Example

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the concept of quantum entanglement, exploring its implications and seeking clarity through examples. Participants express confusion about the nature of entanglement and its counterintuitive aspects, particularly in relation to measurement outcomes and correlations between particles.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes their understanding of quantum entanglement as two particles being correlated, maintaining this correlation regardless of distance, and questions the strangeness of this phenomenon.
  • Another participant acknowledges the initial example provided but points out that it oversimplifies the complexities involved, referencing the EPR paper and Bell's theorem to highlight issues with spin statistics at different angles.
  • A participant suggests that to grasp the "strangeness" of entangled states, one must study detailed examples, specifically mentioning Mermin's example and providing a link to further resources.
  • Another participant echoes the need for detailed study and emphasizes that understanding entanglement requires working through examples that challenge initial assumptions.
  • One participant notes that many others share the desire to understand the physical sense of entanglement and references another thread for further exploration.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the complexity and counterintuitive nature of quantum entanglement, but multiple competing views and interpretations remain regarding how best to understand and illustrate the concept.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the adequacy of simple examples to convey the nuances of quantum entanglement, indicating that deeper exploration and understanding of specific cases are necessary.

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Quantum entanglement ?

Ok, after beating my head with numerous link on net somehow Icould not grasp the idea of quantum entaglement...all i understand is two particles somehow become co-related and then when separated to any distance still maintain co-realation , the moment you see one the other property is defined.

Whats wrong in this..whats weird in this ..i can't understand.

Take an example ..i got 2 pens red and blue .

now i put each in box and ask my friends to take them away.

then one of my friend open box and find the pen is red so definitely the other would be blue.

also until my friend didn't open the box , either of them do not knew what color they have.

Can someone help me understanding this ...please given an example also instead of pasting me any link to internet.
 
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tell_me_why said:
Ok, after beating my head with numerous link on net somehow Icould not grasp the idea of quantum entaglement...all i understand is two particles somehow become co-related and then when separated to any distance still maintain co-realation , the moment you see one the other property is defined.

Whats wrong in this..whats weird in this ..i can't understand.

Take an example ..i got 2 pens red and blue .

now i put each in box and ask my friends to take them away.

then one of my friend open box and find the pen is red so definitely the other would be blue.

also until my friend didn't open the box , either of them do not knew what color they have.

Can someone help me understanding this ...please given an example also instead of pasting me any link to internet.


Your example is fine, but for one small detail. That was understood in 1935 when the EPR paper was written. But it is spin statistics at other angles that cause the problems. This was pointed out by Bell in 1964. The relationship is cos^2(theta) and your example will not work for some groups of angles. Usual examples are 0/120/240 degrees (a la Mermin) or 0/22.5/45/67.5 degrees (CHSH).
 


tell_me_why said:
please given an example also instead of pasting me any link to internet.

In order to see the "strangeness" of the outcome for entangled states in examples like the ones Dr. Chinese mentions, you really have to study one of them in detail. You shouldn't expect someone to write one of them up completely for you here, when it's been done many times elsewhere on the Web.

I like Mermin's example, myself. He published it in an article titled "Is the Moon There When Nobody Looks? Reality and the Quantum Theory." You can easily find it with a Google search for "Mermin moon". I'm pretty sure Dr. Chinese has a link to it on his Web site.

If you have specific questions about this or some other example, feel free to ask!
 


jtbell said:
In order to see the "strangeness" of the outcome for entangled states in examples like the ones Dr. Chinese mentions, you really have to study one of them in detail. You shouldn't expect someone to write one of them up completely for you here, when it's been done many times elsewhere on the Web.

I like Mermin's example, myself. He published it in an article titled "Is the Moon There When Nobody Looks? Reality and the Quantum Theory." You can easily find it with a Google search for "Mermin moon". I'm pretty sure Dr. Chinese has a link to it on his Web site.

If you have specific questions about this or some other example, feel free to ask!

Echoing the above... here is my website link for the Mermin example:

http://drchinese.com/David/Bell_Theorem_Easy_Math.htm

This has easy math, but as jtbell says, you need to work through an example that DOESN'T support your contention to see the issues involved.
 


You are not the only one who want to understand the REAL PHYSICAL SENSE of the term “entanglement“ : see the thread “Entanglement and Concurrence: asking for definitions”.

May be you will find it in arXiv:0706.2488v2 :-)))
 

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