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The discussion revolves around the concept of antiparticles in quantum field theory (QFT), particularly focusing on the quantization of the complex scalar field and the implications of invariance under phase rotations. Participants seek to understand the physical intuition behind these concepts and inquire about other field types that may exhibit similar properties.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express a desire for more physical intuition regarding phase rotations and their role in demonstrating the existence of antiparticles.
  • There are inquiries about whether other types of fields exhibit invariances that lead to the existence of antiparticles in a similar manner.
  • One participant references Noether's theorem to discuss the derivation of a conserved current from the Lagrangian of the complex scalar field, noting that this current can represent charge densities of both positive and negative particles.
  • Another participant elaborates on the necessity of combining positive and negative-frequency solutions in QFT to maintain a Hamiltonian that is bounded from below, which is essential for a stable ground state.
  • There is a discussion about the implications of the spin-statistics theorem and the CPT theorem in relation to the existence of antiparticles.
  • Participants explore the operation of the Hamiltonian and conserved charge on particle states, leading to the conclusion that these operations yield the same energy but different charge signs, suggesting the existence of antiparticles.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the role of Noether's theorem and the implications of charge densities in the context of antiparticles. However, there remains some uncertainty regarding the physical intuition behind phase rotations and whether other field types exhibit similar invariances, indicating that the discussion is not fully resolved.

Contextual Notes

Some participants mention limitations in their understanding of Noether's theorem and its application to the invariance of the action under phase rotations. There is also a lack of consensus on the broader implications of these concepts across different field types.

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Hi,

I have recently began studying quantum field theory and have just seen how the quantization of the complex scalar field, noting that there is invariance of the action under a phase rotation shows the existence of antiparticles.

I just have a couple of questions, apologies in advance if they are stupid:

- I'm after some more physical intuition on the phase rotations? I can't find much in a google
- Probably a stupid question: are there any other field types with other in variances that demonstrate the existence of antiparticles in the same way?

Many thanks
 
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binbagsss said:
I have recently began studying quantum field theory and have just seen how the quantization of the complex scalar field, noting that there is invariance of the action under a phase rotation shows the existence of antiparticles.

Can you give a reference?
 
PeterDonis said:
Can you give a reference?
is it incorrect?
 
binbagsss said:
is it incorrect?

What you may thinking of is this:
  • From the Lagrangian of the complex scalar field, you can use Noether's theorem to derive a conserved current.
  • This current, unlike that of the Schrödinger equation, is not always positive.
  • So it cannot be interpreted as a particle probability density.
  • But it can be interpreted as a charge density, with contributions from both negatively charged and positively charged particles.
 
PeterDonis said:
Can you give a reference?
Any useful QFT textbook is a reference.

The line of argument roughly goes like this: To define a Poincare covariant local (micro causal) QFT you need a combination of positive and negative-frequency solution of free-field equations of motion. Here local means that you have field operators that transform under Poincare transformations (represented by unitary representations of the covering group of the proper orthochronous Lorentz group) as their classical pendants, i.e., for a scalar field
$$\hat{U}(\Lambda) \hat{\phi}(x) \hat{U}^{\dagger}(\Lambda) = \hat{\phi}(\Lambda^{-1} x),$$
where ##\Lambda## is an arbitrary orthochronous Lorentz transformation (and analogously for space-time translations).

In order to have a Hamiltonian that is bounded from below, which we need to have a stable ground state, the negative-frequency modes have to enter as a term proportional to a creation operator and the positive-frequency modes as a term proportional to an annihilation operator (in non-relativistic QFT the field consists only of a superposition of annihilation operators!). In this way the negative-frequency solutions appear as positive-energy modes of either the same particles as represented by the annihilation operators associated with the positive-fequency modes (then for a scalar field you have an Hermitean scalar field) or a different kind of particles, which necessarily have the same mass as the particles but with the opposite charge of the conserved Noether current from the then possible U(1) symmetry (invariance under global phase rotations of the field). These are called the anti-particles associated with the particles.

This analysis goes through for particles with any spin ##s \in \{0,1/2,1,3/2,\ldots \}##.

It also follows from the representation theory of the Poincare group that half-integer (integer) spin particles must be quantized as fermions (bosons), which is the famous spin-statistics theorem. Further, any local microcausal QFT with Hamiltonian bounded from below is also necessarily symmetric under the "grand reflection" CPT (charge conjugation, parity=spatial reflections, and time reversal), which is the famous Pauli-Lueders CPT theorem. There's no necessity for C, P, T, or CP to be conserved for such a QFT, and indeed the weak interaction violates all of these discrete symmetries, but of course not CPT.
 
stevendaryl said:
What you may thinking of is this:
  • From the Lagrangian of the complex scalar field, you can use Noether's theorem to derive a conserved current.
  • This current, unlike that of the Schrödinger equation, is not always positive.
  • So it cannot be interpreted as a particle probability density.
  • But it can be interpreted as a charge density, with contributions from both negatively charged and positively charged particles.

mmm I have noether's theorem roughly as: if S is invariant up to a surface term under some transformation this implies there is a conserved current.

The complex scalar field leave S invariance under a complex phase rotation. we find the conserved current.

We then operate with H and Q, H the hamiltionian and Q the conserved charge assoaiced to the conserved current described above, on both a+|0> and b+|0> , where, from the quantisation of the complex scalar field, a+ is the creation of particle type 1 and b+ is the creator of particle type 2, and the outcome is that operating with H returns the same energy(mass), whilst operating with Q returns the same charge but with a different sign, thus showing the existence of particles and antiparticles.
 
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binbagsss said:
We then operate with H and Q, H the hamiltionian and Q the conserved charge assoaiced to the conserved current described above, on both a+|0> and b+|0> , where, from the quantisation of the complex scalar field, a+ is the creation of particle type 1 and b+ is the creator of particle type 2, and the outcome is that operating with H returns the same energy(mass), whilst operating with Q returns the same charge but with a different sign, thus showing the existence of particles and antiparticles.

Yes, what you're saying is right. I was saying that even at the level of a classical field theory, the current for a complex scalar field must involve charge densities of both signs.
 
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