Quantum mechanical one-liners?

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The discussion centers around quantum mechanics (QM) and participants' attempts to articulate their understanding of quantum phenomena, particularly through simplified explanations or "one-liners." The scope includes conceptual challenges, personal reflections on learning QM, and the exploration of interpretations like the Bohmian perspective.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that electrons behave like waves when unobserved but switch to particle behavior when observed, prompting questions about the nature of observation in QM.
  • Another participant challenges this view, stating that the idea of observation causing a change from wave to particle is outdated and should be unlearned for a better understanding of QM.
  • Some participants express frustration with the complexity of QM and seek simpler, relatable explanations, emphasizing the need for visualization in understanding quantum concepts.
  • A suggestion is made that a useful one-liner for QM is that classical objects can usually be visualized while quantum objects typically cannot, with an alternative framework being the Bohmian interpretation involving "ghosts."
  • Participants discuss the potential usefulness of the Bohmian interpretation for visualization, despite its lack of acceptance among many physicists.
  • An amateur contributor reflects on the broader implications of understanding the universe and questions whether the current approach to solving complex problems in physics is the right direction.
  • Another participant emphasizes that physics is fundamentally about calculations rather than mysticism.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no clear consensus among participants. Some express agreement with the need for simpler explanations, while others contest specific interpretations of quantum behavior. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to understanding quantum mechanics.

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying levels of understanding and frustration with quantum mechanics, indicating that assumptions about observation and visualization may not be universally applicable. The discussion highlights the complexity and evolving nature of interpretations in quantum physics.

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I got a one liner for QP, Electron behave like wave when no observer is there but when we put observer ELECTRON saw this and they told themself hey they are observing us lets change our behaviour, WE are particle now. That type of strange QP is. Am I right?
 
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I strongly suggest you learn QM before you attempt to explain it.
 
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No matter how much I study QP is still mind boggling. I am not explaining QP I am telling what I am thinking. I want to understand QP better way.
 
sadaronjiggasha said:
Like in double slit experiment when several eletron shooted and the pattern in the wall created, it hard to understand why that happen but when I saw video of water flowing into double slit and created the same pattern than it was so easy to understand. Visual representation of anything is very easy to understand.
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I am looking for something even may be one liner that will dramatically change my way of thinking. Putting all clasical physics behind me only thinking quantum way. Because I always try to understand anything by real life example. Then I can understand easily. But when I can't find any real life example I can't related to that. As QP physics does not relate to general physics I always mixed up QP to classic physics. How can I change that mind set?
Perhaps a "one liner" that can change your mind set is this:
Classical objects usually can be visualized, quantum objects usually can't.

Or if you can't accept that they can't be visualized, then a useful alternative framework for thinking is the Bohmian interpretation. In this framework, quantum phenomena are explained by some kind of "ghosts", that is, classically looking objects that can be visualized in mind, but that can't be seen in actual experiments. As you may guess, since these "ghosts" can't be seen in experiments, most physicists don't believe in them. Nevertheless, they can be a useful tool for thinking if visualization is what you are looking for.
 
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@Demystifier Thank you so much. Excellent explanation. You understanding me well. Yes I am looking for this. The "Ghosts". Thanks again.
 
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sadaronjiggasha said:
I got a one liner for QP, Electron behave like wave when no observer is there but when we put observer ELECTRON saw this and they told themself hey they are observing us lets change our behaviour, WE are particle now. That type of strange QP is. Am I right?
No.
This idea that observation makes something change from wave to particle was abandoned almost a century ago, and is it's one of the first things that you have to unlearn if you want to understand QM.
 
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sadaronjiggasha said:
No matter how much I study QP is still mind boggling.
Try 6 hours a day, six days a week for six months and see whether that makes any difference.
sadaronjiggasha said:
I want to understand QP better way.
See above.
 
My sincere apologies for writing a reply here, I should not as I am not a physicist... However, I came across this thread and... because I have been trying to follow how our understanding of the Universe progresses for more than three decades, would like to share my opinion on QP and QM.

I am an amateur. From this very small perspective I can only say, that mankind is quite far from understanding the simplicity of the Universe. There are many things which do not seem to add together, more and more theories, more resources needed to make a small progress - like the LHC for example.

There is a wonderful simplicity on the fundamental level of the Universe we are living in. Understanding this simplicity, which can potentially open a completely new door for mankind in this enormously big Universe, requires a different approach, in my opinion.

The question is - will spending more and more time on trying to solve a constantly growing puzzle will finally bring mankind to a higher level in this Universe? I think this forum is a very good example of how complex problems are in today's world. So, is this the only direction to follow?
 
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So, is this the only direction to follow?
Only yesterday I was saying that physics is about calculations, not mysticism.
 
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This thread is closed as the OP is word salad. It is being left visible because the responses are far more useful than the OP itself.
 
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