Quantum mechanics: Expectation values

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of expectation values in quantum mechanics, specifically focusing on a wave function given by \(\Psi (x,t) = A \cdot \exp ( - \lambda \cdot \left| x \right|) \cdot \exp ( - i\omega t)\). Participants are exploring the necessity of setting time \(t\) to zero when calculating the expectation value for position \(x\).

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants question whether it is necessary to set \(t = 0\) when calculating the expectation value and discuss the implications of normalizing the wave function at different times.

Discussion Status

Some participants suggest that the normalization of the wave function is independent of time, while others reflect on the normalization process and its relation to the expectation value calculation. There is an acknowledgment of the complexity involved in handling the wave function's time dependence.

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There is mention of a textbook approach that uses \(t=0\) for normalization, which raises questions about consistency in methodology. Participants are also considering the implications of using complex conjugates in their calculations.

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Hi all.

Let's say that i have a wave function
[tex]\Psi (x,t) = A \cdot \exp ( - \lambda \cdot \left| x \right|) \cdot \exp ( - i\omega t)[/tex]

I want to find the expectation value for x. For this I use
[tex]\left\langle x \right\rangle = \int_{ - \infty }^\infty x \left| \Psi \right|^2 dx[/tex].

Why must I set t = 0 when doing this?
 
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Niles said:

Homework Statement


Hi all.

Let's say that i have a wave function
[tex]\Psi (x,t) = A \cdot \exp ( - \lambda \cdot \left| x \right|) \cdot \exp ( - i\omega t)[/tex]

I want to find the expectation value for x. For this I use
[tex]\left\langle x \right\rangle = \int_{ - \infty }^\infty x \left| \Psi \right|^2 dx[/tex].

Why must I set t = 0 when doing this?

You don't.

Just leave t arbitrary and you will see that it will drop out by itself.
 
Yes, you are right. But that is when I have normalized the wave function first.

In my book, when he normalizes this function he uses t=0, so A = sqrt(lambda). This way he uses t=0 when finding <x>.

But I can't do both (both use t=t and t=0). So what is more correct?
 
Niles said:
Yes, you are right. But that is when I have normalized the wave function first.

In my book, when he normalizes this function he uses t=0, so A = sqrt(lambda). This way he uses t=0 when finding <x>.

But I can't do both (both use t=t and t=0). So what is more correct?

? The normalization is independent of t. exp(i*w*t) times it's complex conjugate is 1. For all t.
 
Dick said:
? The normalization is independent of t. exp(i*w*t) times it's complex conjugate is 1. For all t.

My mistake. I just squared the whole expression, when I should have multiplied with the conjugate (we are dealing with complex numbers, of course).

Thanks to both of you.
 
Niles said:
My mistake. I just squared the whole expression, when I should have multiplied with the conjugate (we are dealing with complex numbers, of course).

Thanks to both of you.

You are welcome.

By the way, it is a general property of wavefunctions: if you normalize them at any time, they will remain normalized at all times (this assumes that the wavefunction is square integrable, that the potential is real, etc). So one can in principle fix the time to be some value (any value!) before normalizaing but this is never necessary because the time dependence *always* drops out when we normalize.
 

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