Quantum Mechanics is not a description of reality?

In summary, the conversation discusses the concept of Schrödinger's cat and how it relates to quantum mechanics. It explains that according to the dominant interpretation of quantum mechanics, particles can exist in multiple states at once until they are measured or observed. This leads to the conclusion that the cat in the box is both dead and alive at the same time. The conversation then goes on to discuss the idea of entanglement and how it relates to the cat experiment. It ends with the suggestion that a deeper understanding of quantum mechanics is necessary to fully grasp the implications of Schrödinger's cat experiment.
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Consider a cat in a box in a room. The box also contains some radioactive isotope. A geiger counter detects if the atom decays, and if it does, it sends a signal to some sort of computer, which causes a hammer to fall and smash open a bottle of poisonous gas. So, if the atom decays, the cat is dead, but if it doesn’t, the cat remains alive.We cannot tell if the cat is dead or alive until we open the box, and the dominant interpretation of quantum mechanics states that particles can exist in two states at once, and has no definite state until we measure or observe it. This means that the atom can have both decayed and not decayed at the same time. This leads to to the conclusion that the cat is both dead and alive at the same time.Now consider another room with exactly the same setup as the one previously considered. We can entangle the two cats by linking the two computers and providing them with the command that only one cat can be killed. So, if the cat in the first room is killed, the cat in the second room cannot be. Someone in room one knows that the cat is either dead or alive, but does not know which, so must say that it is both dead and alive at the same time. He therefore knows that the cat in room 2 is also both dead and alive. By opening the box, he can find a live cat, but this does not provide information about the cat in room 2 since either that cat is alive, and neither atom has decayed, or the cat is dead, and this cat cannot be killed.But now consider that the cat is dead. This means that the cat in room 2 must be alive. The person in room 1, let's call him person 1, now knows the state of both cats. However, the person in room 2, person 2, has yet to open the box, so considers both cats to be dead and alive at the same time! This cannot be true, since person 1 knows that one of them is dead, and the other is alive. The only way around this is to say that quantum mechanics does not describe reality, but only our understanding of it.
 
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Clever Penguin said:
the dominant interpretation of quantum mechanics states that particles can exist in two states at once, and has no definite state until we measure or observe it.
You misunderstand the meaning of a state. A quantum system has always a well-defined (pure or mixed) state. A cat just has more states than only the states ''dead'' or ''alive'' - reality is far more complex.
 
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Clever Penguin said:
Now consider another room with exactly the same setup as the one previously considered. We can entangle the two cats by linking the two computers and providing them with the command that only one cat can be killed.
This is not what entanglement means.

Your post displays so much misunderstanding that it will be difficult to build a constructive discussion out of it. You need to first understand contemporary quantum mechanics better. You will find many threads on PF describing how to think about Schrödinger's cat and decoherence.

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1. What is the meaning of "Quantum Mechanics is not a description of reality?"

Quantum mechanics is a mathematical framework used to describe the behavior of particles at the atomic and subatomic level. It is not a complete description of reality because it is based on probabilities and does not provide a definite answer for the outcome of a measurement.

2. How does quantum mechanics differ from classical mechanics?

Classical mechanics is a set of physical laws that describe the motion of macroscopic objects, while quantum mechanics is used to describe the behavior of particles at the microscopic level. Classical mechanics is deterministic, meaning that it can predict the exact outcome of a measurement, while quantum mechanics is probabilistic.

3. Can we ever truly understand the nature of reality through quantum mechanics?

Quantum mechanics can accurately predict the behavior of particles, but it does not provide a complete picture of reality. Some scientists believe that there may be a more fundamental theory that can fully explain the nature of reality, but it has not yet been discovered.

4. How has the understanding of quantum mechanics impacted our daily lives?

Quantum mechanics has led to many technological advancements, such as transistors, lasers, and computer chips, which are used in various electronic devices. It has also contributed to the development of quantum computing, which has the potential to greatly increase computing power.

5. Is it possible for us to ever fully comprehend the complexities of quantum mechanics?

Quantum mechanics is a highly complex and abstract theory, and it is constantly evolving as new discoveries and theories are made. It is unlikely that we will ever fully comprehend all of its complexities, but through continued research and study, we can continue to deepen our understanding of this fascinating field.

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