Quantum Mechanics - Matrix representations

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The discussion focuses on finding the matrix representations of angular momentum operators Jx and Jy in quantum mechanics. Participants suggest using the relations involving J+ and J- to derive Jx and Jy, but there is confusion regarding the correct formulation. One user emphasizes the importance of expressing Jx and Jy in terms of J+ and J-, while another points out the need to calculate matrix elements explicitly for the relevant states. The conversation highlights the challenges in determining non-zero entries in the matrices and the importance of careful notation. Ultimately, the users work through their misunderstandings to clarify the matrix representations.
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Homework Statement
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Relevant Equations
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I have found J^2 and Jz, but I am not sure how to find Jx and Jy.
I’m thinking maybe use J+-=Jx+-iJy ? But I get unclear results.

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Thanks!
 
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Graham87 said:
Homework Statement:: See pic
Relevant Equations:: See pic

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I have found J^2 and Jz, but I am not sure how to find Jx and Jy.
I’m thinking maybe use J+-=Jx+-iJy ? But I get unclear results.

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Thanks!
Using ##J_{\pm}## sounds like a good idea. Show us what you get.
 
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Graham87 said:
I’m thinking maybe use J+-=Jx+-iJy ? But I get unclear results.
You have to do it the other way around: Express ##J_x## and ##J_y## in terms of ##J_+## and ##J_-##.
 
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I got this, but it gets messy when I try to find J+- with this expression:
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I don’t know how to form the matrix, what goes where.
 
Matrix elements are found using ##\braket{j',m' | J_x | j, m}##, so you can start by calculating ##J_+ \ket{j,m}## and ##J_- \ket{j,m}## explicitly for the 4 ##\ket{j,m}## states you need to consider here.
 
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Something like this?

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Good effort, but I don't agree with some of the entries in the ##J_{\pm}## matrices.
 
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Here's a tip. A lot of physics textbooks write one formula with various ##\pm## and ##\mp##. I find it easier to keep the formulas separate with either ##+## or ##-##.
 
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Graham87 said:
Where in the matrix did you not agree ?
The non-zero entries!
 
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PeroK said:
The non-zero entries!
Thanks! Just noticed my error.
cheers!
 
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