Quantum Mechanics - Matrix representations

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The discussion revolves around finding the matrix representations of angular momentum operators in quantum mechanics, specifically Jx and Jy, using the known operators J^2 and Jz as a starting point.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the use of the raising and lowering operators J+ and J- to express Jx and Jy. There are uncertainties regarding the correct formulation and matrix representation.

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Some participants have offered guidance on how to approach the problem, suggesting the use of matrix elements and explicit calculations for the states involved. There appears to be a mix of interpretations regarding the entries in the matrices, with some participants questioning specific values.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of matrix representations and the relationships between the angular momentum operators, with some expressing confusion over the arrangement of matrix elements and the implications of their calculations.

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Homework Statement
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Relevant Equations
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I have found J^2 and Jz, but I am not sure how to find Jx and Jy.
I’m thinking maybe use J+-=Jx+-iJy ? But I get unclear results.

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Thanks!
 
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Graham87 said:
Homework Statement:: See pic
Relevant Equations:: See pic

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I have found J^2 and Jz, but I am not sure how to find Jx and Jy.
I’m thinking maybe use J+-=Jx+-iJy ? But I get unclear results.

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Thanks!
Using ##J_{\pm}## sounds like a good idea. Show us what you get.
 
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Graham87 said:
I’m thinking maybe use J+-=Jx+-iJy ? But I get unclear results.
You have to do it the other way around: Express ##J_x## and ##J_y## in terms of ##J_+## and ##J_-##.
 
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I got this, but it gets messy when I try to find J+- with this expression:
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I don’t know how to form the matrix, what goes where.
 
Matrix elements are found using ##\braket{j',m' | J_x | j, m}##, so you can start by calculating ##J_+ \ket{j,m}## and ##J_- \ket{j,m}## explicitly for the 4 ##\ket{j,m}## states you need to consider here.
 
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Something like this?

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Good effort, but I don't agree with some of the entries in the ##J_{\pm}## matrices.
 
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Here's a tip. A lot of physics textbooks write one formula with various ##\pm## and ##\mp##. I find it easier to keep the formulas separate with either ##+## or ##-##.
 
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Graham87 said:
Where in the matrix did you not agree ?
The non-zero entries!
 
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PeroK said:
The non-zero entries!
Thanks! Just noticed my error.
cheers!
 

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