Quantum motion of a charged particle in a magnetic field

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The discussion revolves around the quantum motion of a charged particle in a magnetic field, focusing on the formulation of the Hamiltonian and the associated eigenvalue problem. Participants are exploring the relationship between potential energy, scalar and vector potentials, and the implications of the magnetic field on the Hamiltonian.

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  • Participants are attempting to formulate the Hamiltonian and question how to incorporate the vector potential and magnetic field into their equations. There is uncertainty about the nature of the magnetic field and whether it is static and uniform. Some participants are also exploring the use of wave functions in relation to the Hamiltonian to find eigenenergies.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants raising questions about the necessary information to proceed, such as the specifics of the magnetic field and vector potential. Some guidance has been provided regarding the Hamiltonian structure, but there is no explicit consensus on the formulation or approach to finding the eigenenergies.

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Participants note the lack of clarity regarding the magnetic field and vector potential, which is critical for formulating the Hamiltonian. There is also mention of the professor's notes, which introduce additional expressions but leave some participants uncertain about their implications.

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Homework Statement
Find eigenenergies for a charged particle in magnetic field B and in a parabolic central potential, ##U(r) = \frac {kr^2} 2##. The particle has mass m and charge q.
Relevant Equations
Hamiltonian for charged particle in magnetic field ##H = \frac 1 {2m} \left( p- \frac {qA} {c^2} \right)^2 +q \phi##
Once I know the Hamiltonian, I know to take the determinant ##\left| \vec H-\lambda \vec I \right| = 0 ## and solve for ##\lambda## which are the eigenvalues/eigenenergies.

My problem is, I'm unsure how to formulate the Hamiltonian. Is my potential ##U(r)## my scalar field ##\phi##? I've seen equations relating B and E fields to the scalar and vector fields, ##\vec B = \nabla {} \times \vec A## and ##\vec E = -\nabla \phi - \frac 1 c \frac {d \vec A} {dt}##, but I'm not sure how to incorporate them or if I even need to.

Do I need an equation for the vector potential ##\vec A##? What is the momentum ##p## in this case?

Thanks!
 
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First, ##U(r)## replaces the ##q\phi##.

Now, my issue with your problem is that you are not giving us the actual magnetic field (or the vector potential). Without that the problem is ill stated and nothing can be done about it. It is an static, uniform Magnetic field?
 
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andresB said:
First, ##U(r)## replaces the ##q\phi##.

Now, my issue with your problem is that you are not giving us the actual magnetic field (or the vector potential). Without that the problem is ill stated and nothing can be done about it. It is an static, uniform Magnetic field?

That's all the information provided, however the professor has since posted additional notes:

##\vec A = \left( \frac {By} 2 ; \frac {-Bx} 2 ; 0 \right)##
##H = H_{2d} + H_z##, the writing isn't entirely clear so I'm unsure if the "2d" subscript is correct, however ##H_z = \frac {p_z^2} {2m} + \frac {kz^2} {2}## and ##H_{2d} = \frac {\hbar^2} {2m} \left[ \left( -i \frac {\partial} {\partial x} - \frac q {c\hbar} \frac {By} 2 \right)^2 + \left( -i \frac {\partial} {\partial y}+ \frac q {c\hbar} \frac {Bx} 2 \right)^2 \right] + \frac {k(x^2+y^2)} 2##.

From there I find ##H = \frac {\hbar^2} {2m} \left[ \left( -i \frac {\partial} {\partial x} - \frac q {c\hbar} \frac {By} 2 \right)^2 + \left( -i \frac {\partial} {\partial y}+ \frac q {c\hbar} \frac {Bx} 2 \right)^2 + \left( -i \frac {\partial} {\partial z} \right)^2 \right] + \frac {k(x^2+y^2+z^2)} 2##

The professor however finds some expression ## - \frac {\hbar^2} {2m} \frac {\partial^2} {\partial r^2} + \left[ \frac {\hbar^2} 2 \left( \frac {B^2} {4mc^2} + 1 \right) \left(x^2+y^2 \right) \right] + \frac {\hbar^2} {2m} \frac {qB} {c \hbar} \vec l_z## where ##\vec l_z = x \frac {\partial} {\partial y} - y \frac {\partial} {\partial x}## is the angular momentum along the z-axis. We then look for wave functions ##\Psi = e^{i {\varphi} {l_z}} \varphi(r)## and ##l_z = 0, \pm 1, \pm 2## and ##\phi(r)## is the radial component.

I'm used to finding eigenenergies in matrix form using ##|\vec H - E \vec I| = 0##, however given a wave function could I still use ##H |\Psi \rangle = E |\Psi \rangle## and work through the partial derivatives of ##H \Psi## to solve for the eigenenergies E? How do I find the appropriate wave function to use then?
 
andresB said:
First, ##U(r)## replaces the ##q\phi##.

Now, my issue with your problem is that you are not giving us the actual magnetic field (or the vector potential). Without that the problem is ill stated and nothing can be done about it. It is an static, uniform Magnetic field?
\vec{A} = \approx\frac{\vec{B}\times\vec{r}}{2}
I can never remember what the sign is...
 
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