Quantum Numbers and Total number of Orbitals

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the determination of the number of orbitals corresponding to specific quantum numbers: n = 4, l = 3, and m_l = -2. The context is a homework problem related to quantum mechanics and atomic structure.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the problem is asking for the number of orbitals given the specified quantum numbers and expresses uncertainty about how to find the answer.
  • Another participant clarifies that the formula 2*l + 1 applies only when n and l are given without a specified m_l, emphasizing that m_l indicates a specific orbital within a subshell.
  • A further explanation is provided about the role of the four quantum numbers in describing an electron, detailing how m_l values are determined and their implications for the number of orbitals.
  • Ultimately, the first participant concludes that there is only one orbital corresponding to the specified m_l value of -2.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the interpretation of the quantum numbers and the implications for the number of orbitals, with the final participant confirming the conclusion that there is only one orbital for the given m_l value.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not explicitly address any limitations or assumptions beyond the interpretation of the quantum numbers.

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Homework Statement



How many orbitals have the values n = 4, l = 3, and m_l = -2?

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First of all, is this question asking me how many orbitals there are with the given quantum numbers? Second, how do I go about finding that out

The Attempt at a Solution



I thought that I could figure out the number of orbitals by using 2*l +1 but the answer I get is wrong? Help please :)
 
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I think your answer would be correct if only n and l were given. The reason that 2*l + 1 does not apply is because the magnetic quantum number (m_l) is specified. The magnetic quantum number has to do with energy level within a subshell, and if I remember correctly, each orbital is associated with a single m_l.

So what does that tell you about the number of orbitals that meet the criteria above?
 
Hi! Thanks for your reply...I'm not quite sure at what you're trying to get at here...sorry :S I wish I did.
 
The four quantum numbers are used to describe an electron.

1st QN tells you what shell it is in. n = 1,2,3,...
2nd QN tells you what subshell it is in. l = 0,1,2,...
3rd QN specifies an orbital. m_l can be anywhere from -l to positive l, including 0. This is the reasoning behind the 2l + 1 equation. That equation tells you how many possible m_l values there are for a specific subshell, and thus how many orbitals are in a subshell.
4th QN tells you the spin of the electron. m_s = +1/2 or -1/2

In your problem, they told you what the m_l value was. The possible m_l values for the given subshell were -3,-2, -1, 0, 1, 2, 3, but they narrowed it down and told you that it was -2.

How many orbital choices does that leave you with?
 
Just one! That makes perfect sense! Thanks so much!
 

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