Quantum physics problem- Bra-Ket notation and operators

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The discussion revolves around a quantum mechanics problem involving bra-ket notation and operators, specifically focusing on the application of a rotation operator to a photon's state vector. The original poster is attempting to derive a result from a textbook but encounters discrepancies when applying matrix multiplication to the rotation operator and the state vector.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to use matrix multiplication to apply a rotation operator to a state vector but finds the result does not match the expected outcome. They question the validity of their approach and the procedure used in the textbook.
  • Some participants suggest looking into the differences between active and passive transformations, which may clarify the discrepancies in the rotation matrix signs.
  • Questions are raised regarding the correct procedure for applying the operator and the reasoning behind the professor's method of calculating the operator's effect on the basis vectors.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the nature of coordinate transformations, but there is no explicit consensus on the correct approach or resolution of the original poster's confusion.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential issues with the rotation matrix's representation and the implications of using matrix multiplication versus the method demonstrated in lecture notes. There is also mention of the original poster's extensive search for clarification, indicating a lack of readily available resources on the topic.

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Hello all,

Homework Statement



I’m trying to derive a result from a book on quantum mechanics but I have trouble with bra-ket notation and operators…
Let’s say we have a photon moving along the cartesian z-axis. It is polarized and its state is
Psi(theta) = cos (theta) x1 + sin(theta) x1
Here, x1 and x2 are the base vectors.
The book states that a rotation about z axis is represented by an operator U, which has the matrix (respective to x1 and x2 base):
cos(fi) sin(fi)
-sin(fi) cos(fi)
It is the next step I have trouble with, the book states that by applying a rotation to psi(theta) you will get psi(theta+fi).
When I use simple matrix multiplication of U and psi, I don’t get this result but rather Psi(fi-theta)…
I did manage to produce the correct result when I used hermetian conjugate od U… Why is this so?


Homework Equations



What is the correct procedure and why? What am I doing wrong?

The Attempt at a Solution



Simple matrix multiplication...
 
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Thanks for your replay.

I did actually do quite extensive search on the web, but I did not find what I was looking for.

Maybe I should explain...

The matrix (for the base \chi_{1} and \chi_{2}) of the rotation operator is (according to the book):
U_{\phi, \textbf{k}} =
cos \phi sin \phi
-sin \phi cos \phi

the state of the photon is

\Psi_{\theta} = cos \theta \chi_{1} + sin \theta \chi_{2}

The book also states that when rotating this state by the rotation matrix above, you will get

\Psi_{\theta + \phi}

But this is not what I get unless I transpose the rotation matrix.

If I do that, the matrix looks exactly like the one in the wikipedia article.

So is the book wrong?

The most confusing part of it all is when I look at the lecture notes. According to those, the professor first calculated the effect of the rotation on the base, like this:

\widehat{U_{\phi, \textbf{k}}} | \chi_{1} > = cos \phi | \chi_{1} > + sin \phi | \chi_{2} >
and
\widehat{U_{\phi, \textbf{k}}} | \chi_{2} > = -sin \phi | \chi_{1} > + cos \phi | \chi_{2} >

then he writes

\widehat{U_{\phi, \textbf{k}}} | \Psi_{\theta} > = \widehat{U_{\phi, \textbf{k}}} (cos \theta | \chi_{1} > + sin \theta | \chi_{2} > ) =

then he simply rearanges:

= cos \theta \widehat{U_{\phi, \textbf{k}}} | \chi_{1} > + sin \theta \widehat{U_{\phi, \textbf{k}}} | \chi_{2} > )

and then he substitues the result \widehat{U_{\phi, \textbf{k}}} | \chi_{1} > and \widehat{U_{\phi, \textbf{k}}} | \chi_{2} > from above and that gives the result from the book.

My question is:

1) why is he using this procedure instead of simple matrix multiplication?
2) why is Matrix multiplication wrong?
3) why does the rotation matrix in the book look exactly like the transposed version of the one in wikipedia article (and any other article I could find)
4) How did the professor calculate the effect of the operator on the base (i.e. \widehat{U_{\phi, \textbf{k}}} | \chi_{1} >)

I've been tormented by this for a week now, any input is appreciated...
 
This is most probably a problem of active and passive coordinate transformations.

Basically, if you rotate your coordinate axes one way, then the new coordinates of a vector are obtained by rotating the old coordinates in the opposite direction. This is a constant pain in the rear that creeps up every time you do coordinate transformations.

This explains why the rotation matrix you give in the first post has the opposite sign of theta than the one on the Wiki page linked in the second post.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_and_passive_transformation

http://arxiv.org/abs/1106.4446 section 1.5 (very brief)
 

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