Quantum time dependant perturbation HW

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The discussion revolves around a quantum mechanics problem involving a hydrogen atom subjected to a time-dependent electric field. The original poster seeks to determine the probability of the atom transitioning to the 2p state after applying the electric field, particularly focusing on the implications of time-dependent perturbation theory.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the application of time-dependent perturbation theory, questioning its validity for large time scales. The original poster expresses confusion regarding the behavior of the perturbation and its effects on transition probabilities.

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Some participants have offered insights into the nature of the perturbation, suggesting that the exponential decay of the electric field may allow for a valid application of perturbation theory. However, there is ongoing exploration of the implications of orthogonality of the eigenstates and the correct interpretation of the perturbation itself.

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Participants are discussing the transition probabilities for different magnetic quantum numbers associated with the 2p state and are grappling with the implications of orthogonality in their calculations. There is a recognition that the perturbation being analyzed is related to the electric potential rather than the electric field directly.

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Homework Statement


We consider an hydrogen atom in its fundamental state. At t=0, we apply an electric field in the z direction,

\mathcal{E}(t)=\mathcal{E}_0e^{-t/\tau}

What is the probability that the atom be in the state 2p at t>>\tau?

The Attempt at a Solution



I thought time dependent perturbation theory failed for large time... So what is going on here?
 
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quasar987 said:

Homework Statement


We consider an hydrogen atom in its fundamental state. At t=0, we apply an electric field in the z direction,

\mathcal{E}(t)=\mathcal{E}_0e^{-t/\tau}

What is the probability that the atom be in the state 2p at t>>\tau?


The Attempt at a Solution



I thought time dependent perturbation theory failed for large time... So what is going on here?

There is no problem because the perturbation dies off exponentially with time. So this has the same net result as turning on a perturbation for a finite time and then turning it off.
 
Okay!

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But wait a second.

I said that the desired probability is equal to the sum of the 3 probabilities corresponding to each of the 2p state, i.e. for m=-1,0,1:

\mathcal{P}_{1s\rightarrow 2p}(t)=\sum_{m=-1}^1\mathcal{P}_{1s\rightarrow 2p}^{(m)}(t)

Now, to first order,

\mathcal{P}_{1s\rightarrow 2p}^{(m)}(t)=\frac{1}{\hbar^2}|\int_0^t dt' e^{i\omega_{1s\rightarrow 2p}t'}W_{1s\rightarrow 2p,m}(t')|^2

where

W_{1s\rightarrow 2p,m}(t')=<1,0,0|\mathcal{E}(t')|2,1,m>=\mathcal{E}_0e^{-t'/\tau}<1,0,0|2,1,m>

But |1,0,0> and |2,1,m> are both eigenstates of the hydrogen atom hamiltonian, so they are orthogonal and each of my probabilities are 0, no?
 
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It is also zero also to second order:

\mathcal{P}^{(m)}_{1s\rightarrow 2p,m}(t)=\frac{\mathcal{E}_0^4}{\hbar^4}|\sum_{k}\left(\int_0^te^{i\omega_{k\rightarrow 2p}t'}\hat{W}_{k\rightarrow 2p,m}(t')\left(\int_0^{t'}e^{i\omega_{1s\rightarrow k}-t''}\hat{W}_{1s\rightarrow k}(t'')dt''\right)dt'\right)|^2

But, because of the same orthonormality thing as with fist order,

\hat{W}_{k\rightarrow 2p,m}(t')=e^{-t'/\tau}\delta_{k;2p,m}

and

\hat{W}_{1s\rightarrow k}(t'')=e^{-t''/\tau}\delta_{k;1s}

So

\mathcal{P}^{(m)}_{1s\rightarrow 2p,m}(t)=0

to second order also.

Am I doing something wrong?
 
The problem was that the perturbation is not E itself; it's the electric potential associated with E(t)! Duh!
 

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