Question about battery -- Looking into the electrode effects on the battery

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the effects of electrode geometry on battery performance, specifically considering the folding of anodes and cathodes to enhance electron movement during charge and discharge. Participants explore the implications of geometric design on electrical fields and current capacity, touching on both chemical and physical principles.

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  • Exploratory
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that folding the anode and cathode into geometric shapes could increase the number of electrons moving between them, potentially leading to lighter batteries.
  • Another participant emphasizes that battery voltage is determined by electrochemistry at the interface, while maximum current is influenced by the area and composition of that interface.
  • A different viewpoint argues that folding the electrodes would increase the shared surface area, which might enhance electron movement, but raises concerns about the effects of multiple electric fields on neighboring segments.
  • One participant notes that many batteries already utilize rolled-up designs to maximize surface area in a compact form, questioning the novelty of the folding concept.
  • Another participant cautions that modifications like folding may not significantly impact diffusion rates and that the stability of such surfaces could be a concern.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing opinions on the effectiveness and implications of folding electrodes, with no consensus reached on whether this approach would yield significant benefits for battery performance.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the interplay between geometric design and electrochemical processes, but there are unresolved questions regarding the stability of modified surfaces and the actual impact on electron movement and current capacity.

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looking into the electrodes effects on the battery
Hello All :

i had few suggestions about battery enhancement using some ideas which i had just abstract understanding not enough even to suggest discussion but i have this question

why we dont fold the anode and the cathode into geometrical shape , wouldnt that increase the number of electrons that move between them during charge and discharge ?

if we fold them into geometrical shape would we have irregular electric field effecting each segment of them ?

if we increase the number of electrons moving between the anode and the cathode would that mean higher ampere which means smaller lighter batteries ?
sadly i am away now from the academic life or the research life so an answer to this question would take very long time from me ?
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Hagop
 
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Batteries are chemical devices. The voltage is determined by the electrochemistry at an interface, and the maximum current by the area and composition of that interface. The other major geometric design consideration is heat dissipation vs compactnessl.
 
with folding the cathode and anode wouldnt that increase the shared surface which means high probability for electron to move , resulting in more electron moving increasing the electron number per unit time , it is really a solid state physics not a chemistry question :)

but with folding isnt every unit area is exposed to more than one electric field resulting from neighboring electrode , with the vector sum not the same as the next or previous unit area

also i agree with you on the other major geometric design consideration
 
Many batteries roll up the cathode and the anode to pack more surface area in a smaller volume. This is not what I would call "solid state physics"
The things you seem to be envisioning will likely not be useful because diffusion rates will not be permanently much affected by these modifications. If you fold (wrinkle) the surface, then the valleys are less effective than the hills in projecting electric ields and not much changes in the overall throughput. Also these surfaces are often not stable.
 

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