Question about Changing Limits of Integration

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The discussion centers on the question of changing the limits of integration in an integral from -Infinity to zero to a new range from zero to +Infinity. Participants explore the implications of such a change, particularly in the context of substitution methods and the geometric interpretation of the integrals involved.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks if it is possible to change the limits of integration from -Infinity to zero to zero to +Infinity, seeking clarification on the method.
  • Another participant suggests using the substitution u = -x, indicating that this could facilitate the change of limits.
  • Some participants argue against changing the limits, stating that it would involve integrating over the opposite side of the graph, raising questions about the implications of such a change.
  • A participant elaborates on the substitution method, providing a detailed mathematical transformation and geometric interpretation of the integrals, asserting that the two regions represented by the integrals are equivalent in size.
  • There is acknowledgment of the divergence of the integral \(\int_{-\infty}^0 x \, dx\), with some participants expressing that this divergence diminishes the necessity of evaluating it.
  • Further clarification is provided on the generalization of the substitution method, demonstrating how the limits can be transformed while maintaining the integrity of the integral's evaluation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the limits of integration can be changed, with some supporting the substitution method and others contesting the validity of integrating over the opposite side of the graph. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of changing the limits.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that the integral in question is divergent, which may affect the evaluation process. The discussion also highlights the dependence on the definitions and interpretations of the integrals involved.

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If the limits of integration of my integral are from -Infinity to zero, can I change those limits such that they're from zero to +Infinity? If so, how?

Thanks!
 
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Not sure what you mean, but a substitution u=-x should do the trick (if x is your integration variable).
 
You would not be able to change those limits, because that would be integrating on the complete opposite side of the graph
 
dreit said:
You would not be able to change those limits, because that would be integrating on the complete opposite side of the graph

What's the problem with "integrating on the complete opposite side of the graph"?

Following micromass's lead, suppose we have
\int_{-\infty}^0 x dx

Making the substitution u = -x, (hence du = -dx) and changing the limits of integration, we have
\int_{u = \infty}^0 -u (-du) = -\int_{u = \infty}^0 -u du
= \int_{u = 0}^{\infty} -u du

Geometrically, the first integral represents the infinitely large triangle bounded by the negative x-axis and the line y = x. The last integral represents the infinitely large triangle bounded by the positive u-axis and the line y = -u. Geometrically the two regions are the same size: any point in one region can be shown to be in the other region, and vice versa.
 
Oh that's right I didnt realize that you would be using -U, sorry for any misleading
 
Mark44 said:
What's the problem with "integrating on the complete opposite side of the graph"?

Following micromass's lead, suppose we have
\int_{-\infty}^0 x dx

Making the substitution u = -x, (hence du = -dx) and changing the limits of integration, we have
\int_{u = \infty}^0 -u (-du) = -\int_{u = \infty}^0 -u du
= \int_{u = 0}^{\infty} -u du

Geometrically, the first integral represents the infinitely large triangle bounded by the negative x-axis and the line y = x. The last integral represents the infinitely large triangle bounded by the positive u-axis and the line y = -u. Geometrically the two regions are the same size: any point in one region can be shown to be in the other region, and vice versa.

Of course, \displaystyle \int_{-\infty}^0{x\,dx} is divergent, so I don't see any reason to evaluate it anyway...
 
Prove It said:
Of course, \displaystyle \int_{-\infty}^0{x\,dx} is divergent, so I don't see any reason to evaluate it anyway...
This was just an example that showed how you could change the limits of integration.
 
Mark44 said:
This was just an example that showed how you could change the limits of integration.

So, let's generalize Mark44's reply

<br /> \displaystyle \int_{-\infty}^0{f(x)\,dx}<br />

Making the substitution u = -x, (hence du = -dx) and changing the limits of integration, we have

<br /> \int_{\infty}^0 f(-u) (-du) = -\int_{\infty}^0 f(-u) du <br />

<br /> =\int_{0}^\infty f(-u) \,du

Since u is a "dummy" variable, we can use x (or most any variable) instead, so we have

<br /> \displaystyle \int_{-\infty}^0{f(x)\,dx}=\int_{0}^\infty{f(-x)\,dx}<br />
 

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