Question about direction of Moments 3d

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around determining the moment about each coordinate axis due to the force exerted on a plate at point B, given the tension in cable AB. Participants explore the implications of using different representations of the force vector in the cross product calculation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether it matters which direction the force vector is taken (AB vs. BA) when calculating the moment, noting that the signs of the results differ.
  • Another participant asserts that the force vector in the first cross product is incorrect and that the correct force vector for tension in AB must have a negative x-component.
  • A subsequent post seeks clarification on why the force vector must have a negative x-component, providing unit vectors for both AB and BA.
  • One participant explains that using the force vector for BA would imply a force acting in the opposite direction, which would affect the moment calculation.
  • There is confusion regarding the teacher's stance on whether the direction of the force vector matters, with a request for further explanation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the significance of the direction of the force vector in the moment calculation. Some agree that it matters, while others reference conflicting opinions from the teacher.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific force vectors and their components, but there is no consensus on the correct interpretation or application of these vectors in the context of the problem.

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Homework Statement



knowing the tension in cable AB is 570 N, determine the moment about each of the coordinate axes of the force exerted on the plate at B . This link has a picture http://www.chegg.com/homework-help/questions-and-answers/knowing-tension-cable-ab-570-n-determine-moment-coordinate-axes-force-exerted-plate-b-q3031608

My question is when I am doing the cross product I do r X F . so <900, 0,0> X <450, -350, -180>

Instead of Fsub AB I do F sub BA so < 900,0,0> X < -450, 350,180> and I get an answer the opposite sign. Does it matter which way I find the force vector? and are both answer equivalent?

162j-270K or -162j +270K

I know how to solve the problem I just don't understand why you can use the tension from AB or BA because the answer will have different signs.

Homework Equations



r X F

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Yes, it does make a difference.

The force vector in your first cross product is incorrect, but it is correct in the second cross product.
The correct force vector for the tension in AB must have a negative x-component.
 
SteamKing said:
Yes, it does make a difference.

The force vector in your first cross product is incorrect, but it is correct in the second cross product.
The correct force vector for the tension in AB must have a negative x-component.

Why does it have to have a negative x component?

Unit Vector BA =< -450, 300, 180>
Unit Vector AB=< 450, -300, -180>

My solution manual is using BA but my teacher is saying it doesn't matter so I am confused. Please explain.. Thanks in advance:)
 
It matters because you have a tension in line AB. This tension is acting to hold the plate up. If you substituted vector AB, then that force would tend to push the plate in the opposite direction, below the x-axis.

Are you sure your teacher is saying the direction of the force vector doesn't matter?
 
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