Statics: 3D Equilibrium Problem r X F or Fd?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a statics problem involving a 25-kg rectangular access door held open by a prop, focusing on determining the force in the prop and the forces normal to the hinge axis. Participants explore different methods for calculating moments, specifically comparing the use of the cross product versus the force times distance approach.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant solved the problem using moments about the y-axis and questioned which method is more effective: the cross product or the force times distance approach.
  • Another participant asserts that the cross product is always correct but emphasizes that the best method is subjective and varies by individual reliability.
  • A further reply clarifies that "better" refers to expediency in solving the problem, noting that different methods may be more efficient depending on the user's familiarity with them.
  • Another participant discusses the importance of carefully framing questions to guide problem-solving, suggesting that personal comfort with a method is crucial.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing opinions on which method is preferable, indicating that there is no consensus on the best approach. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the superiority of the cross product versus the force times distance method.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the subjective nature of problem-solving methods in statics, with no definitive resolution on the effectiveness of the approaches discussed.

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Homework Statement



The 25-kg rectangular access door is held in the 90° open position by the single prop CD. Determine the force F in the prop and the magnitude of the force normal to the hinge axis AB in each of the small hinges A and B.[/B]
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Homework Equations


ΣF=0
ΣM=0
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The Attempt at a Solution



I actually solved this problem entirely already. I used point A as the origin and I solved by first taking the sum of the moments about the y-axis (since A and B have zero moment arms there, and this just left the weight of the door and the force in the prop CD). I then used the same methods for the other axes until all the forces were found.

My question for everyone is: what works better and is more easier in this situation? Using the cross product or taking (F)(d)? I am having a debate with some of my classmates who think the cross product is a better approach. I think (F)(d) works better because all of the distances are already given in the problem and their would be no need to find position vectors and do lengthy cross products(I think that F(d) is much easier, since each cross product has a total of six separate products to compute). Let me know what you all think and how you might have solved it.

Josh[/B]
 

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My question for everyone is: what works better and is more easier in this situation? Using the cross product or taking (F)(d)?
The cross product will always be right - but the one that works better (in the sense you are more likely to get the marks) is the one you can use most reliably. That will be different for different people.
Bottom line: define "better".
 
Simon Bridge said:
Bottom line: define "better".

In this particular case, by "better" I mean, which of the two approaches would be the most expedient in finding the solution to this problem? In problems like these, there is usually a number of approaches that can be taken to solve them. Sometimes I have used the cross product when it was probably easier to use force times distance to calculate the moment. Also, I have used force times distance when the cross product would have worked more efficiently. I think what you said makes a lot of sense. That different people will use different approaches, and the one that is most comfortable to them. Thanks!
 
expedient = convenient and practical although possibly improper or immoral? Maybe you mean "easier for you to use"?
... I know you already aid: I think what you said makes a lot of sense. That different people will use different approaches, and the one that is most comfortable to them. Thanks!" ... and thank you.
What I am illustrating here is how carefully asking the question leads you to the answer... this is most of what the scientific method is about.
As soon as you realize you want to know the method you, personally, find easiest, you realize that nobody else can answer that question :)
 

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