Question about eigenvector and identity matrix

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of eigenvalues and eigenvectors for a given matrix. The original poster expresses confusion regarding the outcome of row operations leading to an identity matrix when attempting to find a second eigenvector.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to understand the implications of obtaining an identity matrix during row reduction in the context of eigenvector calculations. They question whether this indicates a lack of eigenvectors or if it is a valid outcome.
  • Some participants suggest that every vector can be an eigenvector of the identity matrix, indicating a need for clarification on the original poster's situation.
  • Others inquire about the specific matrix used and the steps taken during the calculations, emphasizing the importance of showing the matrix for better understanding.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's queries, with some providing insights into the nature of eigenvectors related to the identity matrix. The original poster has identified a mistake in their determinant calculation, which may influence the ongoing discussion about eigenvalues and eigenvectors.

Contextual Notes

The original poster initially overlooked a sign in their determinant calculation, which they later corrected. They provided the matrix and the eigenvalues they calculated, which may affect the interpretation of their findings regarding eigenvectors.

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Homework Statement



I was doing this practice exam and I had to calculate the eigenvalues en vectors. The matrix had two eigenvalues, I calculated one eigenvector. But when I was performing row operations for the second eigenvector, the matrix with the second eigenvalue substitued became an identity matrix, which kinda blew my mind.

So my question is what does this mean? Does it mean that the matrix doesn't have any eigenvectors? And is it possible that it can become an identity matrix? Also I'm pretty sure that I didn't make a mistake, I put the matrix on my calculator and used the funcion "Rref" on it and the result was the identity matrix. Any help would be appreciated!

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Every vector is an Eigenvector of the identity matrix. Perhaps I do not understand what your saying. . .
 
Umayer said:

Homework Statement



I was doing this practice exam and I had to calculate the eigenvalues en vectors. The matrix had two eigenvalues, I calculated one eigenvector. But when I was performing row operations for the second eigenvector, the matrix with the second eigenvalue substitued became an identity matrix, which kinda blew my mind.

So my question is what does this mean? Does it mean that the matrix doesn't have any eigenvectors? And is it possible that it can become an identity matrix? Also I'm pretty sure that I didn't make a mistake, I put the matrix on my calculator and used the funcion "Rref" on it and the result was the identity matrix. Any help would be appreciated!

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The Attempt at a Solution


When you solve for the eigenvalues and eigenvectors of some square matrix A, you are trying to find nonzero vectors x for which Ax = λx. That's the same as saying (A - λI)x = 0, for some nonzero vector x. This can happen only if det(A - λI) = 0. In your row reduction, you should have ended up with a matrix with one or more rows of zeros.

It would help if you showed us the matrix you started with, and what you ended with after row reduction.
 
Umayer said:

Homework Statement



I was doing this practice exam and I had to calculate the eigenvalues en vectors. The matrix had two eigenvalues, I calculated one eigenvector. But when I was performing row operations for the second eigenvector, the matrix with the second eigenvalue substitued became an identity matrix, which kinda blew my mind.

So my question is what does this mean? Does it mean that the matrix doesn't have any eigenvectors? And is it possible that it can become an identity matrix? Also I'm pretty sure that I didn't make a mistake, I put the matrix on my calculator and used the funcion "Rref" on it and the result was the identity matrix. Any help would be appreciated!

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The Attempt at a Solution


Please show us the actual matrix.
 

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Actually I figured it out, I forgot to put a minus when calculating the determinant. But I'll write down the matrix. This is the matrix given: <br /> \begin{pmatrix}<br /> 1 &amp; 1 &amp; 2\\<br /> 4 &amp; 0 &amp; 2\\<br /> -2 &amp; 1 &amp; 1<br /> \end{pmatrix}<br />

So when determining the eigenvalues the matrix will become: <br /> \begin{pmatrix}<br /> 1-λ &amp; 1 &amp; 2\\<br /> 4 &amp; -λ &amp; 2\\<br /> -2 &amp; 1 &amp; 1-λ<br /> \end{pmatrix}<br />

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This is how I calculated the determinant:

A11: (1-λ)([-λ(1-λ)]-2)=(1-λ)(λ^2-λ-2)
A12: -1([4(1-λ)]-[2*-2])=-8+4λ (This is where I forgot the minus in front of the 1.)
A13: 2([1*4]-[-2*-λ])=8-4λ

A12 and A13 cancels each other out so:

detA = 0 → (1-λ)(λ^2-λ-2)=0

So the eigenvalues are: λ=1, λ=2 , λ=-1

I then had to calculate two eigenvectors, I chose 1 and 2 which are respectively:\frac{√6}{3}<br /> \begin{pmatrix}<br /> 0,5\\<br /> 1\\<br /> -0,5<br /> \end{pmatrix}<br />

\frac{1}{√35}<br /> \begin{pmatrix}<br /> -3\\<br /> -5\\<br /> 1<br /> \end{pmatrix}<br />

I believe this is the correct answer.

The Attempt at a Solution


So now my question is when I was calculating the determinant, I forgot the minus so my answers became this: λ=2, λ^2=9

I inserted λ=3 into the eigenvalue matrix, it became this:<br /> \begin{pmatrix}<br /> -2 &amp; 1 &amp; 2\\<br /> 4 &amp; -3 &amp; 2\\<br /> -2 &amp; 1 &amp; -2<br /> \end{pmatrix}<br />

Performing row operations the matrix will become:<br /> \begin{pmatrix}<br /> 1 &amp; 0 &amp; 0\\<br /> 0 &amp; 1 &amp; 0\\<br /> 0 &amp; 0 &amp; 1<br /> \end{pmatrix}<br />

Can a situation like this ever occur? I hope this clears a little bit up.
 

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