Question About Energy Conservation Of Gas Clouds

1. May 27, 2007

waht

Suppose in space you have a hydrogen gas cloud that is collapsing into a sphere under its own gravity. Pressure and heat rises due a decreased volume and gravity trap.

Let's say the gas cloud is not going to reach fission and won't become a sun, so it's a gas giant.

My question is under such pressure, heat is radiated back into space. According to conservation of energy something has to be lost from the gas giant. What is it?

2. May 27, 2007

Teegvin

The energy comes from the gravitational potential of the gas.

There is no energy created or destroyed.

Where's the conflict?

3. May 27, 2007

waht

So if the energy is coming from the gravitational potential energy, does than mean that over time the gravitational potential energy decreases? Since heat as friction is released into space as an electromagnetic wave? and mass is constant.

4. May 27, 2007

Teegvin

Yes, the potential energy of the gas at the outside decreases.

When the cloud is spread out, the gas closer to the outside has more gravitational potential energy with respect to the centre than it does when it is dense. The change in potential energy in going from spread out to dense is equal to the work done in moving and compressing the gas.

Compression causes heating, so the gas heats up and radiates some of that heat into space as electromagnetic radiation, yes.

5. May 27, 2007

waht

Thanks, that summed it up.

6. May 27, 2007

FrigginGenius

When it compresses and becomes as dense as its going to get, does it still radiate heat? Seems like the potential energy would run out - having all been converted to heat from the compression - when it hits that state.

7. May 27, 2007

Teegvin

It will continue to radiate until it reaches equilibrium with whatever radiation is hitting it. After that it still loses energy, but it gains energy at the same rate.

8. May 27, 2007

KingNothing

In other words, for it to 'spread out' again would require more energy, and often the energy that causes such an event is heat!