Question about gcd and Mersene Numbers

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The discussion revolves around proving the relationship between the greatest common divisor (gcd) of Mersenne numbers, specifically showing that gcd(M_e, M_f) = M_gcd(e, f) for positive integers e and f, where M_n = 2^n - 1. The scope includes theoretical aspects of number theory and properties of gcd.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks a simple proof for the relationship between the gcd of Mersenne numbers and the Mersenne number of their gcd.
  • Another participant has established that if a divides b, then M_a divides M_b, using the identity x^k - 1 = (x - 1)(x^(k - 1) + ... + 1).
  • A different participant claims to have proved the relationship by showing that if d divides both M_e and M_f, then d also divides gcd(M_e, M_f) through properties of gcd.
  • Another participant introduces a factorization of Mersenne numbers and suggests that the gcd of Mersenne numbers can be shown to be at least M_d under certain conditions, hinting at a more complex argument involving linear combinations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying degrees of confidence in their proofs and approaches, with some claiming to have established parts of the proof while others remain uncertain about demonstrating that their findings represent the greatest common divisor.

Contextual Notes

Some arguments rely on specific properties of divisibility and gcd without fully resolving the implications of these properties in the context of Mersenne numbers. There are also hints at additional complexities in the proofs that are not fully elaborated.

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Hi,

I've been going through an intro number theory book and trying to prove everything

but I am stuck on this one exercise

it says to show that gcd(M_e,M_f)=M_gcd(e,f) for all positive integers e and f

where M_n=2^n-1.

Is there a simple proof for this?

I see these questions a lot where youre given some aribtrary function and asked to show something about the gcd ...are there any tips for how to do these?

Thanks
 
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so far I've proved that if a|b then M_a|M_b using the identity x^k-1=(x-1)(x^(k-1)+...+1)

so I have now M_gcd(e,f)|M_e and M_gcd(e,f)|M_f

but I'm not sure how to show that it's actually the GREATEST common divisor
 
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Ok I think I proved it

if d|M_e and d|M_f then

d|xM_e+yM_f for ANY integers x,y and by properties of gcd there exists

integers x',y' such that x'M_e+y'M_f=gcd(M_e,M_f) so then d|gcd(M_e,M_f)
 
[tex]2^{da}-1=(2^d-1)(1+2^d+...+2^{d(a-1)})[/tex]

The same applies for [tex]2^{db}-1[/tex]. So obviously [tex]\gcd(M_{ad},M_{bd}) \geq 2^d-1[/tex].

Now, suppose [tex]k|1+2^{d}+..+2^{d(a-1)}=A[/tex] and [tex]k|1+2^d+...+2^{d(b-1)}=B[/tex]. If you invent some new notation by linearly combining [tex]A[/tex] and [tex]B[/tex] and use the fact that [tex]k[/tex] is odd you can conclude that [tex]k|1[/tex]. It takes some time so I won't post it here. Just a tip.
 

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