Question about Killing vectors in the Kerr Metric

Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of Killing vectors in the context of the Kerr metric, specifically focusing on the Killing vector K = ∂t. Participants explore the normalization of this Killing vector and the notation used to express it, as well as the implications of coordinate dependence in general relativity.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the normalization of the Killing vector K, stating they cannot replicate the result from the metric and expressing confusion about the role of cross-terms in the metric.
  • Another participant seeks clarification on the equality K^\mu = (\partial_t)^\mu = \delta^\mu_t, suggesting that this is a coordinate-dependent statement that assumes 't' is a coordinate in the manifold.
  • A participant explains that K = ∂t can be expressed in terms of components as K = (1, 0, 0, 0) in a specific coordinate system, noting the linear independence of the basis vectors.
  • Further clarification is provided on transitioning from K = ∂t to its component form, emphasizing the relationship between the Killing vector and the basis vectors of the manifold.
  • One participant expresses relief upon understanding the distinction between basis vectors and the components of the Killing vector.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally express confusion about the notation and the normalization process, but there is no consensus on the best way to clarify these points. Multiple perspectives on the interpretation of the Killing vector and its components are presented.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the dependence of the notation on the choice of coordinates and the potential for confusion among those new to the subject. The normalization of the Killing vector and the implications of its components remain points of exploration.

edwiddy
Messages
4
Reaction score
0
Hi, I'm a physics undergrad working through Carroll at the moment. In the section on the Kerr black hole, he states that [itex]K= \partial_t[/itex] is a Killing vector because the coefficients of the metric are independent of [itex]t[/itex]. He then states in eq. 6.83 that [itex]K^\mu[/itex] is normalized by:

[tex]K^\mu K_\mu = - \frac{1}{\rho^2} (\Delta - a^2 \sin^2{\theta})[/tex]

where [itex]\Delta = r^2 - 2GMr + a^2[/itex] and [itex]\rho^2 = r^2 + a^2 \cos^2{\theta}[/itex].

Now I can't seem to for the life of me duplicate this from the metric. We take [itex]K^\mu = (\partial_t)^\mu = \delta ^\mu_t[/itex] right? Then:

[tex]K^\mu K_\mu = g^{\mu\nu}K_\nu K_\mu[/tex]

which is only non zero for [itex]\mu=\nu=t[/itex]...but that doesn't match up. The crossterms in the metric need to come into play, but it seems that if anyone of the indices is [itex]\phi[/itex] then it goes to zero...

Thanks.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Physics news on Phys.org
It would be interesting if someone could clarify this
 
Nada you esta xD

P.D: Sorry I already got it :P
 
Now I am struggling with the following [itex]K^\mu = (\partial_t)^\mu = \delta ^\mu_t[/itex] . Could anyone explain how to get the last equality.

i'm reading this from GRAVITATION(Thorne, Wheeler...) and I am quite confused as to how this is true, it is probably a silly thing but I am very new to this notation

Thank you.
 
Last edited:
Ayfel said:
Now I am struggling with the following [itex]K^\mu = (\partial_t)^\mu = \delta ^\mu_t[/itex] . Could anyone explain how to get the last equality.

This is a coordinate dependent statement. It assumes that 't' is one of your coordinates; in particular, that the manifold has a translational symmetry along the 't' direction. In other words, take a manifold with a translational symmetry, and call the axis along that symmetry 't'.

Second, I agree the notation is a bit confusing. I would simply write

[tex]K = \partial_t[/tex]

If your coordinates are [itex](t, x^1, x^2, x^3)[/itex], then you could write [itex]K = (1,0,0,0)[/itex]. Or in other words,

[tex]K^\mu = \delta_0^\mu[/tex]

The notation in your OP is simply using the label 't' instead of '0'.
 
The confusing part for me is to go from [tex]K = \partial_t[/tex] to [itex]K = (1,0,0,0)[/itex]

The first expression I suppose is independent of your reference system, but then I do not know how by setting them to t,r,etc you make the transition from the first to the second expression. I am thinking of [tex]K = \partial_t[/tex] as the partial derivative and I do not see how this becomes [itex]K = (1,0,0,0)[/itex]
 
Hmm, maybe it will be more clear if we write it out completely:

[tex]K = K^\mu \partial_\mu = K^t \partial_t + K^r \partial_r + K^\theta \partial_\theta + K^\phi \partial_\phi[/tex]

Now since we know [itex]K = \partial_t[/itex] and the basis vectors [itex]\partial_t, \; \partial_r, \; \partial_\theta, \; \partial_\phi[/itex] are all linearly independent, we are left with

[tex]K^t = 1, \qquad K^r = K^\theta = K^\phi = 0[/tex]

Does that make sense?
 
Ok now I get it, I was just being confused with the basis vectors and the components of the killing vector. I feel silly, but thank you now I get it.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
5K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K
  • · Replies 10 ·
Replies
10
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
3K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
2K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
2K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
2K
  • · Replies 62 ·
3
Replies
62
Views
7K
  • · Replies 24 ·
Replies
24
Views
2K