Question about planck lengths/quantized space and expanding space?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of Planck length and its implications for the nature of space, particularly in the context of an expanding universe. Participants explore whether space is quantized into indivisible chunks and how this relates to the expansion of the universe, as well as the implications for theories such as string theory.

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  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that space is divided into quantized chunks, defined by the Planck length, and question how this relates to the expansion of space between two stationary objects over time.
  • Others argue that mainstream theories treat spacetime as continuous, with some exceptions like Loop Quantum Gravity (LQG) suggesting a discrete nature.
  • A participant expresses uncertainty about the validity of the quantization idea, reflecting on the prevalence of misinformation on the internet.
  • One participant suggests that the issue of expanding space could be resolved if the universe is considered to be embedded in a larger static hyperverse.
  • Another participant raises a question about the implications of Planck length in string theory, particularly regarding the paradox of a circle with a circumference equal to Planck length having a diameter smaller than Planck length.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether space is quantized or continuous, and the discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives on the nature of spacetime and its implications.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the lack of consensus on the nature of spacetime, the dependence on various theoretical frameworks, and unresolved questions regarding the implications of Planck length in different contexts.

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If I'm not mistaken, it is thought that space is divided up into quantized little indivisible chunks, the size of which is called the Planck length.

Also, the space of the universe is thought to be expanding. We could have 2 objects stationary relative to one another at some time t_0, then allow space to expand from t_0 to t_max, and these 2 objects would then be at a greater separation.

Does this mean that each little block of space is itself stretching out (ie. the 2 objects have the same number of blocks between them at t_0 and at t_max)?

Or, is it that they stay the same size, but more blocks exist between the 2 objects at t_max than there were originally at t_0?
 
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That's right, the Planck length is simply an order-of-magnitude length scale √(ħG/c3) at which both gravitational and quantum effects become dominant. There is so far no successful theory of what happens at that scale. Presumably the simple concept of continuous spacetime will no longer apply, but whatever replaces it must be rather complicated.
 
hmmm, this will teach me to take what I read on random internet sites seriously without checking for proper peer reviewed papers. There are so many sites out there that paint this idea of quantized blocks of space as fact.
 
jeebs said:
If I'm not mistaken, it is thought that space is divided up into quantized little indivisible chunks, the size of which is called the Planck length.

Also, the space of the universe is thought to be expanding. We could have 2 objects stationary relative to one another at some time t_0, then allow space to expand from t_0 to t_max, and these 2 objects would then be at a greater separation.

Does this mean that each little block of space is itself stretching out (ie. the 2 objects have the same number of blocks between them at t_0 and at t_max)?

Or, is it that they stay the same size, but more blocks exist between the 2 objects at t_max than there were originally at t_0?

the problem disappears if our expanding universe is embedded in a larger 4D static hyperverse.

just sayin
 
granpa said:
the problem disappears if our expanding universe is embedded in a larger 4D static hyperverse.

just sayin

I'll have to take your word on that because this means very little to me...
 
This is something that i am interested in becasue i recently read that a new theory states that "that space is divided up into quantized little indivisible chunks, the size of which is called the Planck length." I am currently trying to re-find that article.

Is this some new theory with no information or is this something just for us simple mountain men like myself to pass time and sell magazines?
 
I have a question about Planck length as the length of a string in String Theory. I understand that a string can be wound in a spiral and, apparently, the Cylinder thus formed will have a circumference of Planck length. At the same time, of course, we've two-dimensionally created a Circle with Planck length as its circumference. But such a circle must then have a diameter that is smaller than Planck length ---and yet there can be no measurement below Planck length. To restate the dilemma, given that the size of a circle is always its diameter, it seems as if we're now find ourselves speaking paradoxically in the form of Buddhist koan ----Can there exist a circle that has no size? (What am I missing here? Help!)
 

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