Question about Purcell - Electricity and Magnetism

In summary, Purcell's argument is that the magnetic force of a current carrying wire on a moving charge is equivalent to the charge experiencing an electric force in its own frame of reference. However, he has a problem with this argument because if you turn off the current the electrons in the wire will decelerate to rest with respect to the wire and the net charge will be different than if the current was flowing.
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Diaz Lilahk
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In chapter 5 of Purcell's Electricity and Magnetism, he shows using principles of special relatives that the magnetic force of a current carrying wire on a moving charge is equivalent to the charge experiencing an electric force in its own frame of reference.

His argument is that when the current is flowing in the wire, the wire is electrically neutral which means that the moving electrons in the wire are distributed in such a way that along any segment of wire there are equal numbers of electrons as there are holes. So in the lab frame, the charge moving parallel to the direction of the electrons in the wire would experience a magnetic force directed toward or away from the wire depending on the sign or the moving charge. He continues that in the reference frame of the charge moving parallel to the wire which we can assume is greater than the speed of the electrons in the wire. As a result in the reference frame of the charge moving parallel to the wire the distribution of holes undergoes a greater Lorentz length contraction than the electrons in the wire and which would give any segment of wire a net positive charge, therefore the charge would experience an Electric Force.

Now the problem I have with this is that if I turned off the current, this would imply that a stationary charge above the wire would experience an Electric force. Since the distribution of electrons in the wire would undergo a length expansion since they are no longer moving relative to the lab frame, as a result the wire should have a net positive charge and the stationary charge above the wire would experience an Electric force. But this is definitely not what we observe.

What am I missing?

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If you turn off the current the electrons in the wire will decelerate to rest with respect to the wire. What will happen to the different Lorentz contractions and the net charge then?

If the answer seems to violate the conservation of charge, you've probably forgotten to take the "return" wire into account. Current flows round a loop.

Does that help?
 
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Zaid Khalil said:
...if I turned off the current...the distribution of electrons in the wire would undergo a length expansion since they are no longer moving relative to the lab frame...

Length contraction describes the relation between different frames for the same situation, not between different situations (current off / on).

See this post by DrGreg with a great diagram:
https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?p=4528480

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A.T. said:
Length contraction describes the relation between different frames for the same situation, not between different situations (current off / on).

See this post by DrGreg with a great diagram:
https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?p=4528480

attachment.php?attachmentid=44016&d=1329434012.png
Thank you, I think this is definitely it.
 

What is Purcell's approach to teaching Electricity and Magnetism?

Purcell's approach to teaching Electricity and Magnetism is to use a combination of intuitive physical concepts and mathematical formalism to explain the fundamental principles of electromagnetism.

What topics are covered in Purcell's book on Electricity and Magnetism?

Purcell's book covers a wide range of topics including electric charge and forces, electric fields and potential, electric current and resistance, magnetic fields and forces, electromagnetic induction, and Maxwell's equations.

What makes Purcell's book on Electricity and Magnetism unique?

Purcell's book is known for its clear and concise explanations, use of real-world examples, and emphasis on understanding the fundamental concepts rather than just memorizing equations.

Is Purcell's book suitable for beginners in the field of Electricity and Magnetism?

Yes, Purcell's book is suitable for beginners as it starts with basic concepts and gradually builds up to more advanced topics. However, a basic understanding of calculus and vector algebra is recommended.

Are there any additional resources available to supplement Purcell's book on Electricity and Magnetism?

Yes, there are many online resources such as lectures, practice problems, and simulations that can be used to supplement Purcell's book and enhance understanding of the concepts. Additionally, many universities offer courses on Electricity and Magnetism that use Purcell's book as a textbook.

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