Question about root test for series

  • Thread starter Thread starter banshee43
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Root Series Test
Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around the convergence of the infinite series represented by the sigma notation Ʃ 2^n/(4^n+1). Participants explore the application of the root test and the ratio test to determine convergence, while addressing potential misinterpretations of the series' structure.

Discussion Character

  • Mixed

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss rewriting the series and the implications of doing so, with some questioning the validity of certain transformations. The original poster attempts to apply the root test, while others suggest using the ratio test instead. There are also inquiries about the representation of constants in the series.

Discussion Status

The conversation includes various interpretations of the series and the tests applied. Some participants express confusion over the algebraic manipulations, while others provide clarifications. There is no explicit consensus on the final conclusion regarding convergence, but guidance on the ratio test has been offered.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of parentheses in mathematical expressions and the potential for misunderstanding when they are omitted. There is also mention of the original poster's lack of familiarity with the ratio test due to missing class instruction.

banshee43
Messages
15
Reaction score
0

Homework Statement



Can you if given a sigma notation for an infinite series

Ʃ 2^n/(4^n+1)
rewrite as,

Ʃ 2^n/(4^n+1^n)
then doing the root test can you

lim n→∞ n^√abs((2/(4+1))^n)

which equals 2/5, and
2/5<1, therefore can i conclude that the series above converges?

Sorry if this is in the wrong section, i guess its more of an algebra question.
 
Physics news on Phys.org
Ʃ 2^n/(4^n+1)
rewrite as,

Ʃ 2^n/(4^n+1^n)

No this is 100% wrong to do.

Your series is :

##\sum \frac{2^n}{4^{n+1}}##

Which is definitely NOT equal to :

##\sum \frac{2^n}{4^{n} + 1^{n}}##

Why don't you try the ratio test, it will work perfectly for this.
 
sorry i didnt put enough parentheses my series is 2^n/((4^n)+1)
 
Zondrina said:
banshee43 said:

Ʃ 2^n/(4^n+1)
rewrite as,

Ʃ 2^n/(4^n+1^n)



No this is 100% wrong to do.

Your series is :

##\sum \frac{2^n}{4^{n+1}}##

Which is definitely NOT equal to :

##\sum \frac{2^n}{4^{n} + 1^{n}}##

OP was correct !

Actually, Ʃ 2^n/(4^n+1) is \displaystyle \ \sum\frac{2^n}{4^n+1}\ .
 
SammyS said:
OP was correct !

Actually, Ʃ 2^n/(4^n+1) is \displaystyle \ \sum\frac{2^n}{4^n+1}\ .


Sorry, the lack of parenthesis confused me.
 
So can that 1 be represented by a 1^n? Because no matter what n is Given n>=0 that 1^n = 1.?
 
banshee43 said:
So can that 1 be represented by a 1^n? Because no matter what n is Given n>=0 that 1^n = 1.?
Yes. That's fine, but I don't see why that helps.

You do realize that \displaystyle \ 4^n+1^n\ne(4+1)^n\,,\ don't you ?
 
I thought that it looked funky when I did it. Thank you though
 
So, do you have a solution ?
 
  • #10
Using the ratio test because there are constants raised to powers i get..
(2^(n+1)/(4^(n+1)+1))*((4^(n)+1)/2^n) then using some algerbra
(4^(n)+1)/(4*4^(n)+1) and some more algerbra...
gives me 1/4 which is <1 therefore the series converges?
 
  • #11
banshee43 said:
Using the ratio test because there are constants raised to powers i get..
(2^(n+1)/(4^(n+1)+1))*((4^(n)+1)/2^n) then using some algebra
(4^(n)+1)/(4*4^(n)+1) and some more algebra...
gives me 1/4 which is <1 therefore the series converges?

Are you using a limit without stating that you are?

\displaystyle \frac{4^n+1}{4^{n+1}+1}\ne \frac{1}{4}\ .

Also, what happened to the 2 ?
 
  • #12
yes i am using a limit and i forgot about the 2, i guess it converges to 1/2 then? i had forgotten that the ratio test needed a limit because i wasnt in class when we learned it.
 
  • #13
banshee43 said:
yes i am using a limit and i forgot about the 2, i guess it converges to 1/2 then? i had forgotten that the ratio test needed a limit because i wasn't in class when we learned it.

Anyway, the series converges.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
2K
  • · Replies 22 ·
Replies
22
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
Replies
7
Views
2K
Replies
14
Views
2K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
1K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
3K