Question about Rydberg equation and molecular orbital

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The discussion revolves around the applicability of the Rydberg equation to atomic models, particularly its relevance to hydrogen and hydrogen-like systems, as well as the purpose and limitations of molecular orbitals in describing many-electron systems.

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  • Some participants inquire whether the Rydberg equation is limited to hydrogen, with one suggesting it applies to hydrogen-like systems with one electron in a Coulomb potential.
  • One participant notes that the Rydberg equation is not exactly solvable for systems beyond one electron, implying that its application may be incorrect in more complex systems.
  • Regarding molecular orbitals, one participant states that they provide a simplified one-electron theory for more complex many-electron systems, while acknowledging that there are significant limitations to this approach.
  • Another participant questions the suitability of a referenced book on orbital theories for high school students, expressing uncertainty about its complexity.
  • Participants share links to resources that may be useful for understanding molecular orbitals, indicating a search for appropriate educational materials.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the applicability of the Rydberg equation and the complexity of molecular orbitals, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without a clear consensus.

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The discussion highlights limitations in the applicability of the Rydberg equation and the challenges in teaching molecular orbital theory, but does not resolve these issues or provide definitive answers.

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This discussion may be of interest to students and educators in chemistry and physics, particularly those exploring atomic and molecular theory.

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Hi, I have a little question about atomic models


1. Does Rydberg equation only apply to hydrogen

2. What is the purpose and limitations of molecular obitals
 
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f24u7 said:
Hi, I have a little question about atomic models


1. Does Rydberg equation only apply to hydrogen
In principle it should only be applied to hydrogen-like systems--systems with one electron in a Coulomb potential. Anything beyond a one-electron (or effectively one-electron) systems is not exactly solvable, and a Rydberg-type equation involving one-electron energy differences is, in principle, wrong.
2. What is the purpose and limitations of molecular obitals
The purpose is to give a simple one-electron type of theory to a more complication many-electron system (a molecule). The limitation are legion, but interestingly molecular orbitals are still useful. A reference that I like regarding orbital theories is a book called "The Physics of the Chemical Bond". The author escapes me at the moment.
 
I was wondering if the book is suitable for high school level?



Thanks for the answer. the explanation is very clear
 
f24u7 said:
I was wondering if the book is suitable for high school level?
hmm... I'm not sure. But, probably it is too advanced for a high school text. Regardless, here is a link to the book on amazon:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/0486660214/?tag=pfamazon01-20
maybe you can have a look and see if you think it is too advanced.

Googling for a high school text on molecular orbitals found me this book which perhaps is useful:
http://caltechbook.library.caltech.edu/23/1/MOC_1961.pdf
have a look and let me know. cheers.

Thanks for the answer. the explanation is very clear
you're welcome.
 
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