Question about the delta-epsilon definition of a limit

  • Context: Undergrad 
  • Thread starter Thread starter swampwiz
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Definition Limit
Click For Summary
SUMMARY

The discussion centers on the delta-epsilon definition of a limit in calculus. It clarifies that a finite limit exists if for every ε (epsilon), there exists a δ (delta) such that if a - δ < x < a + δ, then |f(x) - L| < ε. A participant mistakenly suggested an equivalent statement that reverses the order of ε and δ, which was corrected. The key takeaway is that the definition emphasizes the ability to make the function values fall within any desired range around L by appropriately choosing δ.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of limits in calculus
  • Familiarity with delta-epsilon notation
  • Basic knowledge of functions and their properties
  • Concept of universal quantifiers in mathematical logic
NEXT STEPS
  • Study the formal definition of limits in calculus
  • Explore examples of delta-epsilon proofs
  • Learn about continuity and its relationship to limits
  • Investigate the implications of changing quantifier order in mathematical statements
USEFUL FOR

Students of calculus, mathematics educators, and anyone seeking a deeper understanding of the foundational concepts of limits and their rigorous definitions.

swampwiz
Messages
567
Reaction score
83
The definition says:

A finite limit exists if for every ε, there exists a δ such that if

a - δ < x < a + δ

then

| f( x ) - L | < ε

It seems that an equivalent statement would be:

A finite limit exists if for every δ that defines a domain region

a - δ < x < a + δ

that the function value is limited to a range region

| f( x ) - L | < ε

Thus it could also be said that for any domain region width δ (i.e., in the "neighborhood"), then if the function value is limited to some range region L ± ε, then the finite limit exists

Would this last statement be proper?

there exists an ε such that
 
Physics news on Phys.org
No, these are not the same thing. The definition of a limit is that "For every ε, there exists a δ such that a-δ < x < a+δ ⇒ |f(x)-L|<ε" Your statements both amount to saying "For every δ, there exists an ε such that a-δ < x < a+δ ⇒ |f(x)-L|<ε". Notice the change in word order? That matters. The point of the limit definition is not that the function will be contained in some small interval around L, but rather that you can force it to be contained in any interval around L by taking δ small enough. That's why the universal quantifier is in front of the epsilon, rather than the delta.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
3K
  • · Replies 14 ·
Replies
14
Views
3K
  • · Replies 46 ·
2
Replies
46
Views
6K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
4K
  • · Replies 28 ·
Replies
28
Views
4K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K
  • · Replies 20 ·
Replies
20
Views
3K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
2K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
2K