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The discussion centers around the Majorana mass term expressed in terms of a Weyl spinor, specifically addressing a calculation involving the antisymmetric tensor and the properties of Grassmann variables. Participants explore the implications of these mathematical expressions and their results in the context of theoretical physics.

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  • One participant expresses confusion regarding the expression for the Majorana mass term and derives that the term vanishes, questioning what might be missing in their calculation.
  • Another participant suggests that an extra minus sign arises when taking the hermitian conjugate, indicating a special property of the antisymmetric tensor σ2.
  • A different participant asserts that the expression given does indeed evaluate to zero, based on the structure of the spinor components.
  • Another participant counters that the expression does not vanish, prompting further clarification.
  • A participant later identifies their mistake, noting that the components of the Weyl spinor are Grassmann variables, which leads to non-zero results due to their anti-commutation relations.
  • Further discussion arises regarding a specific exercise that claims the expression is zero, leading to confusion about the implications of Grassmann statistics on the calculation.
  • Another participant reiterates that certain terms cannot appear in the expression due to the nature of the internal indices involved.

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Participants express differing views on whether the Majorana mass term vanishes or not, with some asserting it does and others arguing against this conclusion. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of Grassmann variables and the specific exercise referenced.

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Participants reference specific mathematical properties and relations, such as the anti-commutation of Grassmann variables and the characteristics of the antisymmetric tensor. The discussion highlights the complexity of these concepts and the potential for misinterpretation in calculations.

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The Majorana mass term is expressed from a single Weyl spinor. But I am a little confused by the expression. For example, see Eq. (2) in http://arxiv.org/pdf/hep-ph/0410370v2.pdf

\mathcal{L}=\frac{1}{2}m(\chi^T\epsilon \chi+h.c.)

Here \chi is the Weyl spinor and \epsilon = i\sigma^2 is the antisymmetric tensor.

But when I do a simple calculation:
\chi^T\epsilon \chi =(\chi^T\epsilon \chi)^T = \chi^T(-\epsilon) \chi

Here I used \epsilon^T = -\epsilon

therefore \chi^T\epsilon \chi =0

So can anyone tell me what is wrong here? What is missing here? Thanks a lot
 
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you will get an extra minus sign while taking the hemitian conjugate.It is special with σ2.try with a two component spinor of (a b) form explicitly.
 
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:confused: I don't see any σ2 in the expression he's given.

It's just χTεχ = χ1χ2 - χ2χ1 ≡ 0.
 
actually that does not vanish.
 
Thanks for all the replies. I found the mistake in my calculation. \chi_1 and \chi_2 are Grassman variables, thus satisfy the anti-commutation relation, which means \chi_1\chi_2-\chi_2\chi_1 \neq 0
 
In that case, I'm interested in your solution to Exercise 1.4, which says it is zero. :confused:
 
Bill_K said:
In that case, I'm interested in your solution to Exercise 1.4, which says it is zero. :confused:

Because of the Grassmann statistics, 2\chi_1^a\chi_2^b=\epsilon^{\alpha\beta}\chi^a_\alpha\chi_\beta^b is symmetric in a,b.
 
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A simple calculation yields x12,x22 type term,which are zero.
 
andrien said:
A simple calculation yields x12,x22 type term,which are zero.

That term cannot appear in the expression in exercise 1.4. What appears in the expression is an \epsilon_{ab} for the internal indices: there's no 22-component!
 

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