Question about the quotient rule of derivatives

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The discussion centers around the quotient rule of derivatives, specifically exploring the rationale behind squaring the denominator function g(x) in the formula. Participants express a desire to understand the underlying reasons for the formula rather than just its application, delving into derivations and mnemonic devices related to the rule.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why g(x) is squared in the denominator of the quotient rule, seeking a deeper understanding of its origin.
  • Another suggests deriving the quotient rule using the product and chain rules as a way to clarify the reasoning behind the formula.
  • A participant explains that the squaring arises from the differentiation of x^n, specifically when n = -1, leading to a squared term in the denominator.
  • Some participants share their struggles with remembering the order of terms in the numerator and suggest using the product rule as an alternative approach.
  • One participant introduces a mnemonic device to help remember the terms in the quotient rule, emphasizing the structure of the formula.
  • A later reply discusses the definition of the derivative and how the common denominator leads to the squared term in the limit process.
  • Another participant finds a particular explanation intuitive and notes that understanding the numerator requires similar reasoning as the product rule.
  • A participant shares a rhyme to aid in memorizing the quotient rule, highlighting the squared denominator as a key component.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and approaches to the quotient rule, with no consensus on a singular explanation for why g(x) is squared. Multiple competing views and methods for understanding the rule remain present in the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Some participants reference derivations and proofs from external sources, indicating that the discussion may depend on different interpretations of mathematical principles and definitions. There are unresolved aspects regarding the clarity of the quotient rule's derivation and its mnemonic devices.

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A quick question about the theory behind the quotient rule?
Now, I understand how to use the quotient rule for derivatives and everything. I do not struggle with using it, my question is mostly about the formula itself...I very much enjoy WHY we do things in math, not just “here’s the formula, do it”...Here is the formula for the quotient rule of derivatives.

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Now, my question is. Why do we square the g(x) in the denominator? I almost feel like the formula for quotient rule should just be what is in the numerator? Why do we square the g(x)? Where does that come from? Why g(x) squared?
 
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Do you know the product rule and the chain rule? Why don't you try deriving the quotient rule using the product rule and the chain rule?
 
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phyzguy said:
Do you know the product rule and the chain rule? Why don't you try deriving the quotient rule using the product rule and the chain rule?

would that explain why the g(x) is squared? It just seems weird to me. Why not just have g(x) function in the denom.?The fact that it is squared makes me wonder it’s origin.
 
EchoRush said:
would that explain why the g(x) is squared? It just seems weird to me. Why not just have g(x) function in the denom.?The fact that it is squared makes me wonder it’s origin.
It is squared because ##x^n## differentiates to ## \sim x^{n-1}## and with ##n=-1## you get the one square on the right. You haven't answered @phyzguy 's question!
 
Maybe its not a good idea to spoon feed you but sometimes there is no other way, here it is, read this Wikipedia article with 3 different proofs of the quotient rule that will help you understand the "inner mechanisms" and the ultimate why's, pick the one you like.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quotient_rule
 
I always have trouble remembering the order of the terms in the numerator, so I tend to use the product rule.

As people have been suggesting, try using the product rule on ##f(x) [g(x)]^{-1}## and you should see exactly where all of the terms come from. Don't take our word for it, it will really help your understanding.
 
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RPinPA said:
I always have trouble remembering the order of the terms in the numerator, so I tend to use the product rule.
And I always thought I was the only one ...
 
fresh_42 said:
And I always thought I was the only one ...
Me too! I realized early on that the quotient rule was just a consequence of the product rule, so I didn't need to memorize the quotient rule. I never use it.
 
RPinPA said:
I always have trouble remembering the order of the terms in the numerator, so I tend to use the product rule.
fresh_42 said:
And I always thought I was the only one ...
I came up with my own mnemonic device for the quotient rule, and one I've never seen anywhere else. Here it is, in the context of the differential of u/v.
$$d(\frac u v) = \frac{v du - u dv}{v^2}$$
How do I remember which term in the numerator comes first? The vd one, an abbreviation for something unrelated to mathematics.

For a derivative instead of a differential, replace du by du/dx or u' and similar for dv.
 
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The derivative of \frac{f(x)}{g(x)} is given, using the definition of the derivative, by \lim_{h\to 0}\frac{\frac{f(x+h)}{g(x+h)}- \frac{f(x)}{g(x)}}{h}.
To do that quotient, \frac{f(x+h)}{g(x+h)}- \frac{f(x)}{g(x)}, get the "common denominator", g(x)g(x+ h): \frac{f(x+ h)g(x)}{g(x)g(x+h)}- \frac{f(x)g(x+h)}{g(x)g(x+h)}. (it is that "g(x)g(x+h)" in the denominator that will give "g^2(x)" after we take the limit.)
 
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Mark44 said:
I came up with my own mnemonic device for the quotient rule, and one I've never seen anywhere else. Here it is, in the context of the differential of u/v.
$$d(\frac u v) = \frac{v du - u dv}{v^2}$$
How do I remember which term in the numerator comes first? The vd one, an abbreviation for something unrelated to mathematics.

For a derivative instead of a differential, replace du by du/dx or u' and similar for dv.
Another way is like this:
Function (Hi)/(Ho)

Mnemonic: Ho d Hi minus Hi d Ho, over Ho Ho

Symbolified: (Ho*dHi-Hi*dHo)/(HoHo)
(Try writing on paper using better 'typesetting' to see it better.)
 
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EchoRush said:
would that explain why the g(x) is squared?

Yes, if you know how to apply the chain rule to differentiate ##(g(x))^{-1}##.

I find the explanation given by @HallsofIvy the most intuitive explanation of the denominator in the quotient rule. To explain the numerator, you need the same trick used to prove the product rule.
 
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The Quotient Rule Rhyme (for D hi/low):
If the quotient rule you wish to know,
It's low Dhi less hi Dlow
Draw a line and down below
The denominator squared must go.
 
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