Question about the Reynolds number and fluid drag

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The discussion centers on the application of the Reynolds number in fluid dynamics, particularly in scenarios involving hollow spheres filled with different fluids, such as water and viscous substances like honey. The user queries whether the viscosity of the fluid affects the rolling motion of the spheres and how drag influences this behavior. It is established that while viscosity is a key factor, the Reynolds number does not directly apply to this specific problem due to the complexities of the flow geometry involved. Insights into fluid behavior within the spheres suggest that the honey-filled sphere will stop rolling first due to higher viscosity leading to greater energy dissipation.

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Hello! First time poster, long time lurker.

I've been doing my own independent study of fluid dynamics (not recommended, i know!) and I've hit a wall. I'm trying to imagine problems of fluid dynamics other than the "river and pipe" variety to confirm that I'm really getting this drag stuff. I'm curious to know if and how the Reynolds number Re can be adapted or defined in a way to describe drag in scenarios where a fluid is encased in a solid container that's moving around? Since its essentially about contact between a solid and a fluid, I should think it could be adapted to scenarios other than pipes, etc.

I'm curious to know because ... well, here's the problem I came up with in my head that I can't figure out:

Consider the following: Two hollow metal spheres are placed at the top of a hill. They are identical in every way (total mass etc), except for one: one is filled with water, the other is filled with something very viscous such as honey or tar. They are then released from the top of the hill and roll down.

Question: Do the spheres stop rolling at the same time, or does the honey sphere stop rolling first?

My "physics intuition" tells me that the honey sphere should stop rolling first, but I can't explain why in terms of drag, Reynolds or anything. I expect the honey sphere should stop rolling first because of higher viscosity, which would facilitate transfer of gravitational potential energy to thermal energy(heat transfer) as the sphere gains kinetic energy.

For that matter, what kind of fluid flow (if any at all) should one expect inside a hollow sphere filled with water that's spinning around or rolling? I can't even VISUALIZE it and I know from gen physics that's a bad sign :) All I can see is the fluid inside "lagging" behind the solid shell part of the sphere as it rolls, and then catches up due to fluidic drag... after it catches up, is the hollow sphere with fluid filled inside essentially the same thing as a solid sphere of same mass/density? (are there any random eddies inside that bring the fluid sphere to a stop sooner?)

ANY corrections or guidance or HINTS on this is appreciated. I've been through the definitions many times so I'm not sure reiteration will help at this point... but ill do that if y'all gurus think I should :)

thanks for reading. happy holidays )
 
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You are correct that viscosity is the relevant fluid property, but the Reynolds number does not really apply here.

Modeling your problem is not trivial- you are setting up a time-dependent, spatially-dependent flow geometry, but some information can be extracted in limiting cases: very low viscosity as compared to very high viscosity, for example.

http://books.google.com/books?id=gtqjx_wuuDMC&pg=PA175&lpg=PA175&dq=%22fluid+filled+sphere%22+greenspan&source=bl&ots=BLc8pVfzIZ&sig=HrO2QupTPysO5XEUYImRzLhDFxk&hl=en&ei=-ivxTIzZJcignAfJieGeCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&sqi=2&ved=0CBcQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...sg=AFQjCNEb7HDAKdouhHbtmDnPbTX3d3b9cw&cad=rja

http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid=382456
 
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